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Pro-tip: Stop asking other trans people for passing advice

I've found that trans people are insanely vindictive and petty when people ask for advice. I've literally seen trans men tell someone they look cis when they post a pic UNTIL they say they're actually trans (i.e. they come into a Facebook group or subreddit that allows cis people and post a pic type shit) then all of a sudden they don't pass.
Your best bet is to look at styles and such that you like and get info on the clothes. For example, if you love the way a certain pair of jeans look that your friend has, ask them the type and go hunting for some. This usually will give you multiple resources for that type of clothing. I've found in the trans male community, if you don't dress like a preppy hipster, you won't get any actual ideas and will be told you won't pass.
Atop that, most trans circles are geared insanely young for trans men. So if you're over 16, most of the tips are out of touch with reality and will have you looking like a caracature of a man than actually finding who you are as a male.
This post was inspired by the dumpster fire of a subreddit that's supposed to be "real" passing tips for trans men.
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how do i even respond to this? (TW?? references to hateful language from bigoted MIL)

New user here. Posting from a phone, if this looks wonky. And apparently this has to be said sooo I do NOT consent to this being shared or reposted anywhere.
Not sure where to begin with this one... It's a LOT of backstory to get to this week but I don't know how to respond to this woman after all this.
Dated DH for two years + married for three. Became very close with MIL while we were dating. She could be a little much at times, but for the most part we got along really well. FIL was nice but is introverted and works 70+/hr weeks so I barely knew him while dating DH.
A few months after marrying DH, I get a job at FIL's company. This is when I get to know him, and I consider us very close.
About a year ago, DH and I are visiting with MIL while FIL is at work, and she tries to talk about something in the news but starts saying really horrible things. Like, hateful, racist, xenophobic, violent, classist, white supremacist, shocking things--like, let's talk about the kinds of people you should shoot from your window if you ever see them standing near your house. We both start arguing with her and don't understand where this even came from. FIL gets home just as DH has convinced MIL to drop it, and he just catches enough to find himself reminding her that his grandfather was an illegal immigrant.
Talking about it later, DH is in shock, says this is not how he was raised, etc. It's certainly nothing I ever saw coming in the slightest. He knows she's been depressed and spends a lot of time in bed watching YouTube and wonders if she was radicalized by the internet. I'm skeptical at the time, because I thought she was smart enough to not get recruited by white nationalists on the internet, but I guess all bets are off at this point.
We see her again a few days later and she once again starts a huge hateful rant. I bitch her tf out this time and she starts crying and that ends the visit. That night, DH yells at me for "making her cry." We get in a huge fight because 1) I would not have married someone who gives one shit about a white supremacist's feelings, so he better get his head out his ass, and 2) as you can guess, she is white, cis, straight, born/raised in America, Protestant, upper middle class, and all those things a "good"/"real" American is "supposed" to be, and I do not check all those boxes, so he doesn't need to be told that by saying all those things, she was attacking me/my family (not that it should have to be personal to be offensive and unacceptable...).
DH did go yell at her about it the next day, and she got so upset (depressed/hurt) she didn't speak to us for three months. FIL generally avoids conflict and MIL may or may not have enough self-awareness to act ashamed so either he knew why we stopped coming over and stayed out of it or she never told him what happened and he assumed we had shit going on and stayed out of it.
Finally we get invited to something at their house and when it's just me and MIL in the backyard (FIL and DH went inside for more beer or something) she starts ANOTHER rant and I stop her with "You know I'M (target inferior group)..." and she says, "No you're not. You don't count."
Wtf? Am I one of the "good ones"? Like, tell everyone who's ever treated me like shit or discriminated against me that I "don't count"... /s
That's when DH and FIL come back out, so she shuts up.
At home I tell DH what she said and finally he's as fed up as I am. I go NC and he goes LC.
A while later we go help FIL with yardwork. I agree to come because DH says she never leaves bed anymore. At one point FIL makes a joke to me (DH went inside) about some crazy shit she said and then says something like, "But seriously, idk what's gotten into (MIL). I think it's because she got a Twitter."
Of course my curious ass gets home and searches Twitter for her username from games she plays with DH and his younger siblings. Of course it's the same. And omg. It's just blatant racism, xenophobia, misogyny, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, nationalism, and classism as far as the eye can see. The list of people she's following is the Who's Who of neo-N***s.
I show DH. He goes NC/VLC--responds to texts if it's relevant like mail for him at their house etc but that's pretty much it. I do not attend Thanksgiving or Christmas dinner that year because I don't break bread with N***s. We have a lot of fights because he does go, claims it's because he doesn't want to hurt his grandma's feelings, but I think he's just a coward who could've visited grandma literally any other weekend if that's his only excuse for entertaining MIL's disgusting new identity for even a second.
FIL eventually asks me at work when we're gonna stop by again. I have to assume at that point he has no idea, because he's not the type to play games. If he knew why we stopped visiting, he'd tell MIL to get her shit together and come to Jesus, and he wouldn't expect us to come be subjected to her bullshit in the meantime. I always give a wishy-washy answer when he asks because I don't want to talk shit about his wife to him but I also don't want him to think he did anything wrong. So we invited FIL over a few times when we bought a new house because his line of work gave us an excuse (need advice on remodelling).
DH is very sensitive about all of this. He still has no idea how tf his mother became this person seemingly overnight. He is embarrassed of her but also gets defensive when she comes up because he feels like she causes me to think less of his whole family (not true). So we never talk about her. I have some theories about where all this came from (her complicated childhood, mostly), but this is already too long, and it's not an excuse for her behavior anyway. I do wonder if maybe she was always secretly like this but kept it to herself because they live in a very tight-knit, VERY liberal neighborhood where the neighbors (including her "best friend" at the time) would've made her life hell if they found out who she was... which would also explain not raising DH with these views, because he was friends with all the neighbor kids, and kids repeat everything they hear... if 6-year-old DH had parroted words like her current ones in a neighbor's house, omg. But then why is FIL surprised about stuff she's said too? Well, whatever.
Then, yesterday, I get a text from MIL. It's been almost a year since we spoke whatsoever? Last time was "you don't count." She says she loves and misses me and that me being out of their lives is tearing the family apart. She says she doesn't know what she did but if I tell her, she will find a way to apologize.
Um, what? 1) Not sure who's being torn apart. DH and I are fine, SIL and I are fine, FIL and I seem fine, DH and SIL and FIL are fine... 2) How tf do you not know after I yelled at you twice to never say evil shit like that, DH yelled at you and reminded you that you're attacking his wife, I reminded you that you're attacking me/my family... But again, even if I was just like her in terms of cultural background, I still wouldn't associate with her ass for advocating straight-up violence against any human being she finds distasteful. 3) There's really nothing to apologize for. You can't just go "sorry I said all that racist (etc) shit" and have it be fine because it's not like I believe you magically stopped THINKING those things.
So I feel trapped here. I tried telling DH she texted but he got uncomfortable and immediately changed the subject. I'm afraid there's nothing I could honesty reply to her where he wouldn't get salty and think I was too harsh. I'm nervous that if after all this time she finally took it upon herself to text me, and if she honestly lacks the self-awareness to understand why I went NC, then she possibly already cried to FIL and mentioned texting me. I don't want FIL to think I'm too cruel / too much of a bitch to even text her back, and I also don't want to have to explain myself by trying to badmouth her to him...
So wtf do I do to just go back to being NC with my closet bigot MIL without giving her fuel to "prove" to anyone else in the family that I'm mean, dramatic, a bitch, or anything else? How do I keep the peace with DH and maintain a friendly relationship with FIL and still set a boundary with MIL? I can't ask DH to do it because he's too much of a people pleaser and has no spine when it comes to his family so his words would be way too watered down for what she deserves to hear.
UPDATE: Thank you so much for the kindness and encouragement. Your advice helped me find the words I needed. I decided to text her back. Ohhh boy.
Me: "There is nothing to apologize for. I find it hard to believe that you do not remember the things you said to me the last few times we spoke. You expressed a desire to see X and Y get shot. I know that DH specifically asked you to stop telling me about how much you hate X. You continued to bring it up. The last time you tried to talk to me about X, I reminded you that I am X. Your exact words to me were "you don't count." Unfortunately, that's not for you to decide, so yes, I do. You don't get to take away a huge part of who I am so that you can ignore the fact that you disagree with my right to even exist. I am not ashamed of being X because I don't think white Americans are the master race. I am and will always be X, and you don't get to erase that to make yourself feel better about hating us. My family (faced these X-hardships for me). Yet you look at other X and say that someone literally needs to hurry up and come shoot them for you. Since there's no other difference between my family and those families, it tells me that the only reason I "don't count" is because I'm (her slightly preferred, "less inferior" subset of X), and that if I wasn't, you wouldn't care if I lived or died. You have said a lot of racist things in front of me and DH and we have tried to talk to you about them and I have tried to appeal to you as a Christian and you ignored me. My copy of the Bible tells about Joseph and Mary, the refugees fleeing violence. It talks about justice for the oppressed and about being judged on how we treat the least of these. The way you have spoken about X, Y, Z, and many others to me and DH on multiple occasions tells me you must have a different copy. I do not want an apology because it is pointless to say you are sorry about something if your heart has not changed. I have not heard anything to indicate that an apology from you would be sincere. If you still hate X, whether or not you want to admit it, I do not want to argue with you about whether my life, or anyone else's, is less valuable because of being X. Do not try to tell me that you do not think these things or that you did not say these things. You repeated them many times. DH asked you to stop and you dug in your heels. Even FIL walked in in the middle of one of your angry talks about X, Y, and Z and reminded you that his grandfather was an illegal immigrant who didn't even want to learn English. None of this seems to matter to you. If my black friends or my Jewish friends found out that I chose to associate with someone who says the things you have said, I would be ashamed of myself. Instead of offering to apologize, if you really mean what you are saying, you can ask yourself why the beliefs you chose to express are so important to you that you would rather lose part of your family than repent of the prejudice in your heart. If you are unwilling to do that, it is completely pointless to try to apologize to X, and we will have to agree to disagree about whether I am a human being."
Two hours later, she replies: "First of all, I was talking about (super dehumanizing slur for "extra-inferior" subset of X). You are not (slur X-), so you don't count."
THAT'S your defense? I don't want ALL of you people murdered, just the ones I REALLY hate?
Me: "I am blocking your number now."
And I did, and it feels so good.
Went downstairs and told DH to keep his N*** mother tf away from me.
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As a trans man, radical feminism was one of the worst things for my mental health probably ever

This is a pretty unconventional post, but fingers crossed mods will allow it. I'll include some messages I've gotten from GC feminists to spice it up.
I'm 16. I found out I was a trans man when I was 12 or 13. I was mortified. I lived in a Christian home that had talked about how all gay people are pedophiles and they were so glad their children were normal. I didn't know who to talk to about it and I went to every adult in my life that I thought could have a chance of being helpful but all of them shunned me. I was outed to my parents and they took me out of school, screamed slurs at me daily, threatened conversion therapy. But eventually it just... died down. I never mentioned it again to anyone and bottled up all my dysphoria. My only support network was Reddit and they helped me a lot--telling me how to make it by, coping methods, giving me a place to talk. Eventually, though, I received a private message.
Pastebin because it's very long.
I thought this message was stupid. I mean come on, they obviously only read the title of my posts because I made it very clear I was ftm. I had never heard of any of these words before. Autogynephilia? Homosexual transsexuals? Wtf? I clicked on the linked subreddit and had a nice laugh about all the weird language they used talking about trans people and I put it away.
I started coming back to that sub, though. It started just for lols but eventually I found the other trans-exclusionary subreddits and read through them. Suddenly all the crazy things they were saying started to make sense. I stopped seeking support from trans communities because I was convinced they sought to brainwash children like me. I took a mindset of, "Oh, all these other trans people are invalid but I'm valid." I started participating in GC subs and they told me I was stupid for thinking I was a TIF and I needed to get a dose of reality. I started to believe them. When I sought support I posted saying I was a "desisted TIF". That I was looking for a way to diminish my dysphoria or cope with it without transition. I was scared I would relapse to s*lf h*rm again because of my dysphoria but I refused to acknowledge that I might actually be trans.
But guys. Finding GC feminism during puberty was probably the worst misfortune to ever happen to me. And this is where it gets slightly tmi so content warning.
I knew I was attracted to women. I was an early bloomer and I fantasized about being dominant towards a woman at as young as age 10. I've always had a very high sex drive and I was fine with it. Except GC feminism told me that all men are sexually motivated perverts, and all they could think about when talking to women was having sex with them, and this made them predators. It was very us vs. them, and, while I was on the side of the us, I found myself doing all the awful things GC hated about the them. I mean come fucking on! I was a 15 year old hormonal teenage boy with high testosterone anyway and you bet my ass I couldn't think of anything else when talking to a girl except her boob size and you bet my ass sticking my dick in something was the most important thing in my life (still is, hahahaha). I had urges to do weird perverted shit but I never acted on them because I was a normal human being with self control. But GC feminism taught me that those urges automatically made me a predator. And I won't even get into how I thought I was mentally ill because I have a weird dominance kink and to them that was inherently misogynist. And I also won't get into how it isolated me from my mostly male friends because whenever we bonded over normal male ""locker room talk"" I felt sooo guilty. The community that was supposed to accept all women was shunning me because I didn't fit their box of "a woman". For a movement that prides themselves on a woman being able to be whatever they want to be, I noticed that they only accept women that they see as pure.
Hear it from a trans man who thought he was a woman who thought he was GC: RADICAL FEMINISM HARMS CIS WOMEN AND TRANS MEN JUST AS MUCH AS IT HARMS CIS MEN AND TRANS WOMEN.
I tried to post to these subs asking for help and advice on how to stop acting the way I did. I genuinely thought that I was a rapist, a misogynist, that I was hopeless. I was screaming into a void. Every time I tried to post I was perma-banned and they said I obviously wasn't a real female, no woman likes other women the way I did, I definitely had XY chromosomes and I was trolling the sub. I tried to tell them, I am a woman, my sex is XX so therefore I must be a woman. You have to let me seek support. I literally received a "Fuck you, bye." from one of the mods. "Fuck you, bye" to a confused teenager who was looking anywhere for support he could find it.
You know what this made me realize? They don't really think gender is determined by sex. If you A) have a vagina and B) fit their rigid box of "woman" then you are a woman. If you A) have a penis and B) do not fit their rigid box of "woman" you are a man. And if you don't fit either, then obviously you don't exist, because that is impossible. I realized this community has no place for people like me, nor does it other trans people, nor does it any woman who isn't like them. And I finally pulled my bootstraps up and pulled myself out of the awful internet rabbit hole. So I'm just going to say it for the first time since I discovered radical feminism.
I am a man. It is okay for me to be masculine. It is okay for me to be a teenage boy. It is okay for me to like girls.
i hate terfs lol bye
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Terrified of no interest, actually getting tons on a dating app

Before transitioning, one of the big things holding me back from taking the plunge was vanity and a fear of being sexually unwanted. I know it’s not something that should have much value but truth be told I feel insecure if it seems like no one has sexual or romantic interest in me.
I went from looking like a hot woman in her 20s to an awkward pubescent 12 year old boy who doesn’t know who he is or how to dress or act. My vanity teamed up with dysphoria to tell me that no one would ever want me if I transitioned. There’s so much internalized transphobia and caring too much about what other people, especially cis people think about my body. Socialized feminine gender norms I’ve inadvertently picked up are surely in play here too.
I came to realize that even if I became the butt-ugliest man (a ridiculous concept, where did my feminism go?) I’d be happier than pretending to be a popular woman. So I took the plunge and started T 5 months ago.
The hormones are jacking up my libido and I finally made a dating app account. I’ve been terrified about presenting masc and being open about being FTM on an app like that for years. Will anyone want to date me anymore? Guys, I got 50 matches in the first 48 hours and more rolling in. Not only do I get to still have sex but I can be choosy and possibly form deeper connections with people.
Now are all these people confused straight guys and chasers? Eh I bet a good percent of them are. But there’s some that’ve passed some initial vetting questions and seem like awesome people I want to get to know. Someone even called me handsome! My dysphoria never lets me think of myself like that.
I can’t tell you how relieved I am. Part of me feels guilty for allowing so much my validation to be tied up in other people, I know that’s going to bite me in the butt, but I haven’t been able to completely untangle it. I think this process is a required part of puberty, even second puberty. I spent years building my confidence as a woman and now I’m going to give myself time to build my confidence as a man.
If you read this, thank you. Feel free to discuss, add words of wisdom, or advice if you feel compelled.
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[Serious] My best friend (white, female, LGBTQ) and I (white, male, straight) had an argument two and a half weeks ago that I made a post about here fourteen days ago. We were debating several controversial points, and nearly scrapped our three year friendship over this. How do we go back to normal?

It has been fourteen days since my last interaction with Reddit regarding this situation. Here is the link to that post: https://www.reddit.com/Advice/comments/hb3zau/serious_how_do_i_explain_to_my_best_friend_female/.
ALRIGHT. I trust I have no need for a throwaway account, as the friend doesn't know I have Reddit. If she finds this, good for her. I don't think this needs to be hidden behind a throwaway account. In any case, this account is so rarely used that I could probably turn it into one if need be.
I'll be recapping the above post and providing a little more context to the situation because it has progressed, but if the full story is too controversial for here, I will slim it down and repost. Also, apologies for how long this is, it became something of a rant. Before I mention anything though, please keep your answers civil, as opposed to messages that boil down to "you'd never understand", "racist swine", and/or "you absolute scum." I'd like to say I wouldn't expect such messages, but I'd be lying if I did say that, given how the U.S. is nowadays. For your understanding...
My best friend is a smart, headstrong young woman and an advocate for the LGBTQ community. We'll call her D. She has various social medias, where she posts about equality and her art. Now, I'm only bringing this up because her artwork has gotten recognition from the bands she does it on. So she's not exactly your everyday 200-something follower media artist. D is very stubborn, and, as I've found out recently (mind you, this is three years into being very close friends), very wrapped up in her own ego. She is usually a great listener, and honestly, I'd trust her with my life. She's one of the top three people (non-family) that I trust. D is a very laid back person, and is normally able to joke around despite not being the most social of people. Also, please note that this person wanted to be on the debate team a while ago.
Now, there's no way to get this post across professionally without explaining some detail on myself as well. Otherwise, this post could be misconstrued as me complaining about her. I am nearly two years her senior, and don't have much of a presence on social media. D and I are very similar. I am stubborn like her, am confident in myself like her, and am generally laid back. I'd like to think that I am an accepting person, and I like to believe that I'm a good listener. Here's what has me concerned. We are incredibly alike. I've been told that she was caught up in her own ego. But what if I am too?
We live in New England, if that matters. Probably the biggest reason we had such a falling out was because we're so similar that we probably never even considered that we might not see eye to eye on some things. I certainly hadn't. Also, the first part of this story takes place on a Sunday.
Our characters? D = best friend, M = third party, and Me = me.
So, essentially, it started in a group chat of D, M, and myself. M mentioned something her older relative said a while back. "Are those foreigners illegal?" This was said in regards to her neighbours, whom the relative had never met before. These neighbours had lived in the U.S. for 30+ years. Well, D basically called the older relative racist. I spoke up in that relative's defense, saying that she was a woman of her values. D questioned me defending the relative, saying that racism doesn't count as a value. Now, while I agree with that statement, I'm fairly certain that the relative's question was not, in fact, racist. D and I were given no hints as to what tone of voice the relative used. Plus, it's an honest question. That relative was also raised in a time when foreigners were less widely accepted. This is important to note because D's next message read "I suppose that as long as we learn not to be racist now then the world will be a better place when all those really old people die."
Now, I don't know about you, but I felt like that message wasn't exactly the kindest belief. So I told her that the world will indeed be better in the future, but that does not depend solely on the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands of people raised in war times, when international propaganda was big. I said that it is also a matter of accepting that some people have their own rigid beliefs they won't break free from. Should those intolerant beliefs be kept internalized? Absolutely.
And this is where things start getting off the hook.
Essentially, D then says that tolerating the relative's intolerance "makes absolutely no sense." Of course, I wasn't saying to just accept it and move on. But she was trying to be righteous in her own way, and I want to commend her for that.
I next advise that while stuff is wrong, and people are flawed, we cannot all just take offense at the slightest drop of a hat. Doing as such shows a lack of fortitude. I also explain that I agree, intolerance should be spoken out against, but some people would refuse to listen. D responds simply with "obviously we aren't going to agree on this point."
So, some small talk happens now. After, I mention that "politically correct" is changing the definitions of racism, xenophobia, and intolerance. I give an example that D claimed to understand, and she then says that by being politically correct, we don't hurt feelings. I follow up that I am in 90% of agreement there. Here, I go into a bit of a rant that I'll summarize. I say that being politically correct has to stop somewhere, that people are getting offended too easily nowadays, and that in some places, with some people, referring to someone's nationality earns you the label of racist (if you're white and they aren't, at least. Haven't heard of any situations where it happens in reverse where the other person is labelled racist). I ask D if I'm the only one who's been aware of more racist minority people than paler people. I tell her that we can agree that racism must end, and that defending racism is not a good thing. But I also ask her (and here's where I think I set her off) how much of what is nowadays considered racist is legitimately racist or is just guilt for actions committed by ancestors over a century ago. How much of it nobody took offense to thirty years ago.
Now, I don't know about you, but honestly? I don't see what's racist about mentioning someone's nationality and heritage. I am of the belief that those are things to be proud of. I'm not ashamed that I was born with paler skin. I'm sure that, if I was another nationality, I wouldn't be ashamed of it. So why then, is it racist? Like, if I (white, male), referred to a couple (we're talking very clearly of Asian descent here. Which individual country doesn't matter for this particular example) as Asian, I would probably be called a racist pig in at least a few people's eyes.
So D responds that I am a "straight cis white man", and that I'll "never really understand being offended based on uncontrollable factors." What does that even mean? She then backtracks upon my questioning, and tells me she doesn't mean to be mean. So, I ask why she brings this up. Her response?
"By saying that you don't agree with being politically correct you aren't considering the fact that you can't be offended in that way. You will never be the victim of racism, homophobia, sexism, etc."
Now insulted, I begin to lose my cool. I tell her that I actually have (true story, by the way), to the first and third.
In her defense, D did ask me to elaborate here.
I tell her that people of whiter complexions can experience racism too, and she just tells me that "that's not how that works." If anyone reading this is of the same belief set as her, would you be kind enough to educate me here? She refused to explain it to me, astounded that I didn't understand her baseless (in my eyes) logic. I don't want to offend her in the future.
Finally, I decide I need to explain through a simple question to her. "Is it okay for you or I to call someone darky?" To which she says, no. The only problem here, is that my follow-up question "Then why is it okay for others to call you or I whitey?" earned the response that it's just different. When asked to explain, she just tells me that she doesn't know how, but it is. And that if I wasn't one of her closest friends, she'd probably block me.
At this point, I'm thinking to myself, in what way have I proven anything but tolerant? In what way have I managed to offend her? Because that is not at all how she normally behaves.
So I try again. I explain that a foreign friend we both know was kind of racist, and she tells me that yes, he "is the most racist Asian person ever [crying emoji]." I'm not gonna lie, I was tempted to tell her that by her logic, she was just being racist. But I wanted to keep things civil. So I tell her that some people really are racist, but racism is a double-edged sword. It can go both ways. She then tells me that our foreign friend can make comments about his race but we cannot make the same ones.
Now, I sort of get what she's struggling to say here. The whole thing about how "self-racism is okay." As she explained it, "an overweight person can joke about being fat but you can't joke about them." Also, uh, "WHITE PEOPLE HAVE NEVER BEEN DISCRIMINATED AGAINST."
Can we just take a moment to appreciate just how...idiotic that statement sounds? Can we just...think about, the thousands of years that humans of different skin tones have been interacting with each other. Can we just...think about, how many people there are in the world? How many there have been? Her statement here is just SO insensitive and covers such a wide span of decades that it really just makes her seem incompetent, which is sad because it's the furthest thing from the truth.
Anyway, I explain to her my experience with a formerly close friend who happened to be a darker-skinned person (she was very obviously Indian, for context) who ended our friendship by being racist to me, and in the same action, threw my trust in her to the curb. The reaction I get from D? "That's most definitely not a truthful statement."
So, ever trying to be helpful, I elaborate further on the event, and get told that "events like that seriously don't happen," and a few details I'm not comfortable sharing to the internet. WELL, D now decides to get M back into the conversation (she had been staying quiet, and as I later learned, trying to understand my point of view) and agree with her. As if M couldn't possibly choose to stay neutral or see things differently.
I then essentially tell D that homophobia is nowhere NEAR as prevalent as it was in the past five decades. That many people laud others for embracing themselves and who they are.
What I get in response? "STRAIGHT PEOPLE DON[']T GET DEATH THREATS. STRAIGHT PEOPLE DON[']T GET CALLED SLURS." So when I say that yes, in fact, they do, she says that "IT. IS. NOT. THE. SAME."
Anyone care to explain this for me? She didn't.
So I ask if she's seriously telling me that men cannot experience sexism, and she says that she understands that one. Good, I think. So I explain to her that I went to a very sexist school in the past (basically, any one of the girls could have slapped another student across the face in front of a teacher, and she'd get a pat on the hand. If the victim was a guy, he'd probably be questioned what he did to cause it. If any single guy slapped another student across the face, be the victim guy or girl, he would get detention. Probably would get more detention or a demerit for slapping a girl across the face. Possibly even if done in defense. I wish I could say I was joking, but they didn't even try to hide their favouritism).
Unfortunately, D responds with "But men don't get catcalled by creeps [o]n the internet." Can we just appreciate how much this argument has covered now? How...inane this all is? But that wasn't all. "It's not your fault that you are a straight white cis anglosaxon male, but you just can't understand these points."
And once again, she backtracks, this time realizing that she is arguing my case for me. She tells me that she recognizes that by using that as an argument, she's kinda (no, D, not KINDA) discriminating against me. So props to her for being self aware, I guess..? She finishes by saying that it's still very different.
As we draw to a close, I tell her that I don't see her any differently, and I meant it. I still do. If you're reading this, D, you know full well who you are, and I love you like the sister I never had.
But, she instead sends me a message about how if I began transitioning to a woman, I would without a doubt understand that I had it easy before.
So, digging the hole deeper for myself, and in an effort to understand her thought process, I indulge her and offer an example outlining the flaws in the way she's presenting her case. How it is so twisted that it negates some of its own effectiveness. And now, we decide to call it a day, as we don't want to spam M, and we agree to disagree. I finish up with my own personal belief that all lives matter, regardless of who is treating who which way. That racism is a double-edged sword with too many hands vying for it, that everyone should be held equally accountable for their actions, and that race and sexuality should NOT, in my eyes, influence justice. I also explain in this message that no one gender gets to be held down while the others get away with the same actions committed by the first, regardless of which does what action. I end with the statement that I believe anyone can anyone can experience racism, heterophobia (go figure, it's not a recognized word on the internet)/homophobia and/or sexism.
And guess what? She doesn't let it end there. Now, you'd think such a statement like the one I made above is incredibly fair. It is nothing if not equal. Well, she tells me that she agrees all lives matter, but that I shouldn't say that. Because it's apparently taken as a slight against the Black Lives Matter movement? Now, I want to make something clear, if I haven't already. I am all one for equality. For TRUE equality. I fully support the rights of all races and genders. You wanna identify as a wolf/helicopter hybrid from Narnia? ...sure. You do you. You get the same rights as everyone else. But can someone, ANYONE, tell me how my statement that all lives (which includes BLM people, folks. I said all for a reason) matter is offensive to BLM? Because I sincerely hope that their mission statement hasn't changed to Black Lives Matter *more than others*.
In D's defense, she seemed to agree with me here. A bit more followed on this day, but I've hopped through enough controversial rabbit holes just typing this, and I'd really rather not leap through yet another.
So, later that day, I text her, asking how her day went. I was under the presumption that when we agreed we were still fine, both of us meant it. Evidently she didn't? Because she doesn't read it until the day later (rare for her), and leaves the question on read for days on end (something she has never done). This prompts me to, on the Thursday immediately following the Sunday this took place on, post an abbreviated version of this story here on Advice. I received a couple comments with some advice, and one that helped me realize that yes, D is, in fact, tripping over her ego a little. Maybe it wasn't quite as evident in the way I portrayed it above, but I want to be fair to her. She was clearly acting on emotion and in a bit of a rage for part of it. I maintain to this day that I kept my cool. Was I upset? Totally! But did I let it control my civility? No. Also, everyone is a little biased. It's inherent. From my point of view, I was right, and I was calm. In her zealous point of view, she was undoubtably right, and I was probably ticking her off majorly. So I have to concede and not make her seem so flawed. Because really, D is a wonderful person. I don't know what I would do with myself if something happened to her. Anyway, y'all are probably here either to help or to get in on the juicy gossip here. So I'll quit blubbering.
Unfortunately, I was so wrapped up in the idea that understanding her point of view would make us get along better, that I couldn't stop thinking about it all day Friday at work. And so, I'm sorry u/Throwaway1234asdfxx, but I did end up engaging. I guilted myself into trying to understand her once more. And admittedly, I was in the wrong for bringing the topic back up.
So I send a follow up text later in the afternoon asking if things are really okay. She plays it off as if they are, and asks how I've been. So, I do as I always am with her, and tell her the truth. I tell her that I cannot stop thinking about our conversation. She immediately says "Why not? I suppose you're entitled to your opinion," which, honestly, should have been evidence enough that she wasn't over it. I inquire if she would mind me asking her a few questions in order to better understand her answers. I like to think that my response there was neutral enough.
So, I ask one of the questions I have more of a passing interest in first. I want to get the tedious ones out of the way. So, I ask her if she truly believes that men cannot and do not experience sexism. She does answer that she believes it now, but says that it can't be compared to the amount that women experience regularly. She tells me that no, she is not saying men cannot be discriminated against, just that men have far more social justice than women ever will. Now, to her credit, D was correct. Unfortunately, only in recent decades are women being treated like equals to men. There is very much a social problem.
I offer only the statement that in a lot of professional situations, like in office businesses, women may wear shorter dresses or skirts on very hot days, while men must keep wearing long pants. She never really justifies that with any answer, just sort of tells me the situation has made her see me in a different light that she's not happy with.
Well, of course, I think. And so I let her know that abusiveness in the gay dating scene is kind of a big problem nowadays. I tell her that I want to understand her, and that I don't understand why this should make her see me any differently. She answers that she doesn't get why I'm not understanding her point already.
Do you see how similar we are yet? Are you noticing any of my subtle hints that we're very stubborn yet?
I tell her that I'm merely looking for explanations, reasoning, that could potentially change my mind. You know, how most people tend to change their minds? With new information? I explain why I asked if she believed men experienced sexism (she really, actually had me worried at the time), and her reply is that "the gay dating scene for men is a major problem, but all that physical abuse is from OTHER MEN."
Yes. Of course. Because women in a relationship could never be abusive. Why ever would I consider that possible? Also, is that not...redundant, given the context of the question?
Anyway, I concede, as I had more questions to ask. I try moving the conversation onward, but she continues dragging it back. Get this, she tells me, "Your point of view is incredibly ignorant, you haven't looked at it from a woman's perspective. Women definitely are discriminated more than men."
Yes. Of course I am not. I literally, physically, cannot replicate an entirely different perspective. But it's not like she can see things from a man's perspective. So, I tell her that she cannot see it from a man's perspective. Her reaction?
At this point, D kind of shuts down. I reference her own argument from Sunday that she can't understand it. I wish I included that she couldn't help it for some vindictive justice, but I'm not that cruel. I instead try to level with her that it was my point all along. Neither of us can see every angle, and the only way to get the true angle is by seeing every angle possible. So, she gives up. She tells me to leave her alone. After trying once more, I yet again concede.
I send her one last message that, to put it briefly, admits I was in the wrong for bringing it up again, that I made a mistake in one of my arguments, that I've accepted that I'm not getting answers from her, and that I am incapable of understanding. I dedicated an entire paragraph to an apology for my assumption I could understand her. I apologized that I thought I could learn, and that I thought we could think on the same level again. I admit my fault, apologize for upsetting her on so many levels, and tell her I hope we can be friends again. And lastly, I tell her we should change the subject if one of the debated topics comes up in a group chat that has the two of us in it if we want to avoid conflict. I tell her that the only way we would get over this is by not talking for a while, and I make sure to hammer in that I missed her, and don't see her any differently.
Well, nearly a week later, she texts me, telling me she's no longer mad, and asks if I was mad. Evidently, she was no longer hellbent on telling me I was wrong. So, I tell her that no, I was never mad, and let her make the choice on if we were going to remain friends or not. In the end, she decided that yes, she did want to mend our friendship, and that despite the past two weeks, she still considered me one of her closest friends.
We have chatted a little since then, but it feels like I'm walking through a war-torn battlefield. Like hallowed ground and like everything is uneasy. Like, there's so much...stuff...that happened here, but I can't do anything to change how poorly it went.
SO! Question time. I'll bet you my dignity that you forgot you were supposed to be offering advice after reading that freakin' short story. Like, I could make two full chapters of a story out of this condensed version of it. Anyway, my questions are as follows: Can anyone help me better understand this? Do you believe that our friendship is truly on the mend? Am I deluded at all? Any advice on what I can do to ease the tension? Any advice on how to deal with the tension? Any idea when I won't feel so uneasy when talking to her? Do you know where I can find a life? And, lastly, why do I feel so badly for telling my best friend my standpoint on this?
I don't care much for politics, but I want answers, and if there's anything the internet has taught me, I can find answers on Reddit or 4chan, and I'd really rather not visit the latter based purely on its reputation (and because I already had a Reddit account, hahah). So, please, tell me your thoughts.
HINT: Joke's on you if you didn't forget you were supposed to be giving me advice, I don't have any dignity left!
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A Brief Quip As To Why LGBTQ+ Sugaring is Harder!

So you are part of the LGBTQ+ Community looking for a Spoiling Partner. Why is it harder?
Well besides my post yesterday, as to why it can be hard for many people in general, here is a little bit of commentary on why it is especially harder for anyone who is not looking for a cis heterosexual sugar relationship.
I always see posts by trans women asking for help, and I try to chime in, given my past, but it can get tiring. So here is a general commentary.
The overwhelmingly vast majority of SDs are straight, and many if not most have views that do not deviate from their version of straight. Which is cis gender women. They are usually more mature men who like what they like, and the more you deviate from that the harder it will be.
Gay Male SBs. As in regular society homosexuality is a small percentage of the population to begin with. Then you throw in the fact that rich people are a small fraction of society, and SDs are small fraction of Rich men, and Gay SDs are a small fraction of SDs, there are therefore very few gay SDs. The gay SDs that are out there all have the pick of the litter. You are competing against a lot of other gay male SBs. Age, body type, location, personality etc... all play a factor in possibly maybe getting an SD. To put it bluntly if you are not a young fem think or a young athletic well hung stud in a metro area your chances of finding an SD are practically 0. That's what gay SDs seem to like. So they get the pick of anyone they want. Try your best, use SA but also Grinder, maybe freestyle. But do not expect to find a whale.
Trans men. I hate to say this, but there is virtually no market for you. The gay SDs are the ones you are trying to attract, but there are specific things gay men like, and well you know what i am talking about. You are competing against cis guys who have what SDs want. That side of the pool is already very limited and it is essentially a buyers market. You can try. But do not get hopes up.
Trans Women. Out of the LGBTQ+ SB world I think you all have the best chance of finding an SD. But what that means may be different than what you wanted. Again most SDs are straight but their version of straight is cis gender oriented. You are competing against cis women in this lifestyle, who out number you like a thousand to one. However, some "SDs" want to experiment with trans women. They want to express inner sexual desires. Maybe try sucking a dick, or bottoming. To put it bluntly. However, this is usually a one and done thing by chasers. So keep your guard up. Your best bet is to look for straight but open SDs, such as myself. Also to offer some maybe un-PC advice, the more passing you are (i.e. the more cis you look) and the more... ummm normal you act (e.g. not everything in your life is centered around you being trans and waving the pride flags) the more your chances go up. I have had relationships with two trans women in this lifestyle, and both were stunning and 100% passable, and both had far more to them than the LGBTQ+ plus stuff. Hell both were a little old fashioned and moderate conservative. They exuded femininity and I was able to talk about many things with them. So the more feminine and chill you are, plus age and location the more chances you have. But you need to put forth effort in to your profile and need to put your best foot foward. And even then you may not br lucky.
Lesbian and Bi women after SMs. There are like 3 here. 3 SMs. If you are bi go after SDs too. If you are lesbian you are looking for your unicorn, but 3 examples here. So who knows. But it will be tough.
SA is the only game in town really, there is no lgbtq+ sugar site that anyone goes to.
These are tough words you may not want to hear, but you need to hear them.
Regardless, best of luck!
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Honestly the shitbag people out there whose sole purpose is to drown you in condescending pieces of mental health “advice” can go to hell.
“sSrIs aRe nO BetTer tHaN pLacEBo JuSt exErCisE aNd SleEp anD mEdITate bRo”
Like bitch you think I haven’t tried those things already? You think I haven’t dropped insane amounts of money on supplements and nootropics that ended up being useless? Zoloft has given me my life back and no armchair psychiatrist is going to tell me that it’s a goddamn placebo.
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Gayniversary: Six Stripes, Six Years - Part Four

With the ring of the bell, both men begin to move cautionately out of the corner, hands raised in hopes of feeling something they can grab on to. They both start to slowly approach the center of the ring, hands nearly touching, when Dalidus suddenly drops to the mat, laying down flat as a board.
Woodbridge: The hell’s he doing?
Buster, unaware of Dalidus’ plan, continues to walk forwards, eventually tripping right over Nova’s body and falling to the canvas!
Paisner: I bet Buster didn’t see that one coming!
Woodbridge: No shit, Pais. And that’s the only time I’ll let that line slide.
As Buster tries to scramble back to his feet, Nova reaches to grab anything, managing to get a grip on Busters leg. Feeling his opponent latch on, Buster flips onto his back and drives his free leg forward, connecting square in the chest of Nova with enough force to make him back off.
Crowd: Oooo….
They both feel for the ropes and use them to get back to a standing base, now without any idea as to where the other is. As Buster continues trying to feel for his opponent, Dalidus again goes down to the mat, hoping to catch his opponent once again.
Woodbridge: This might be a long one…
Buster walks into Nova once more, but manages to stay on his feet. Realizing Nova’s position, Buster raises a boot and wildly stomps in the area he felt Dalidus, landing boots all over his back before Nova is able to roll out of the ring, taking a knee outside as Miles comes to his side.
Paisner: Maybe not, Mark! Looks like Buster’s quickly catching on to Nova’s… ‘strategy’.
Now alone in the ring, Buster takes a step backward, unknowingly winding up in the center of the ring. Reaching out and finding no ropes to ground himself, Buster begins to madly turn around and around, fists raised and closely listening for any sounds that may lead him to his opponent. Outside the ring, however, Miles leads Nova up onto the ring apron, walking him along it until Nova reaches the middle of the apron.
Woodbridge: Is Miles leading Nova directly to Buster?!
Paisner: I think he is! Like some sort of shitty Canadian seeing-eye dog, Alpha is acting as Nova’s vision!
Dalidus slips between the ropes, before charging straight forward and colliding with the back of Buster with a shoulder tackle! The sudden strike sends Buster falling face-first into the mat, where Dalidus quickly follows him down with a flurry of fists!
Crowd: Booooooooo!
Nova makes a grab at Buster, snatching his head in a front facelock and pulling him to his feet. However, Buster makes a desperate escape attempt, running blindly forward only to send Nova crashing into the turnbuckle!
Crowd: Oooooooohh!
Paisner: Buster, with a bit of luck, able to break Dalidus’ grip by pushing him into the corner!
Buster creates just enough space to launch a quick jab towards Nova, but Nova immediately twists out of the corner, and Buster’s fist collides with the top of the ring post!
Buster: Achk! hWhat the fuck?!
Clutching at his bruised fist, Buster turns his own back into the corner. Meanwhile, Miles gets behind Buster outside the ring, and begins to yell at Dalidus!
Miles: Dali! Follow my voice, spear his ass!
Dalidus, listening to his partner's advice, begins to run towards the sound of Alpha’s voice, lunging out in an attempt at a corner spear, only to miss by a mile and send himself flying outside of the ring!
Paisner: Nova looked for that corner spear, but ended up launching himself out of the ring to nobody!
Woodbridge: Now THATS what I call a suicide dive.
Miles looks down from the apron and facepalms in shame, but now Buster hears the slap of his hand and turns around to deck Miles off the apron!!!
The crowd cheers at the decking of Miles, and Buster celebrates with a raised fist to the air, followed by “BLACK POWER” at full volume, which gives Nova the queue he needs to sloppily roll back into the ring and then blindly launch a lariat towards the source of the yell, and he just connects with Buster’s head!
Crowd: OHHH!
Buster goes down and clutches at his head and Nova follows up and kicks to the torso of Buster as he has him on the ropes, and Buster attempts to pull himself up with the ropes while pushing Nova away, but Nova comes right back with a clothesline, and it ends up causing both men to spill over the top rope onto the floor outside!
Paisner: NASTY spill from both men, who aren’t able to see their landing and they land nastily on the floor outside!
Miles Alpha makes a dash for the two downed bodies as the referee begins the 20 count!
Alpha begins to rustle Nova up, but Nova remains motionless on the outside. Alpha brings Nova to his knees and Mia yells at him from the ring to quit interfering in the match, but now Nova has began to come to as he slowly begins to reach out and grip onto the apron, pulling himself up the rest of the way while Buster does the same with the ring post.
Miles: Punch straight ahead!
Dalidus quickly does so, shooting a powerful right hook that just misses Buster, catching nothing but empty air. Not letting up, he takes a step forward before throwing a left as Buster ducks down, immediately followed by a loud thud and a scream of pain from Nova, his fist connecting square with the post!
Buster lunges forwards at Nova, tackling him in the gut and taking whatever air was left left in his lungs! Both men hit the floor as Alpha backs away from the action, not wanting to watch Nova as he attempts to defend himself from a barrage of strikes.
9! But Buster refuses to let up, continuing to throw hands until the official’s count reaches 14, only to finally clue in and feel his way back inside the ring, staying close to the ropes as Nova groans in pain outside.
Paisner: He’s not gonna make it!
Woodbridge: There’s no time!
Suddenly, Alpha leaps onto the apron beside Nova, ensuring to stomp as loudly as possible while doing so. The noise causes Buster to respond with a quick shot to the gut that swiftly sends Miles back outside...
...But the distraction allows Nova to lurch inside the ring, rolling past Buster before he even realizes!
Buster: Count, ref! Count this cracka-ass-bitch out!
Mia So-hung: I can’t! He is inside!
Buster: He’s hWhat?
The conversation gives Dalidus all the information he needs to shoot a kneeling superkick at Braggadocio!
Nova now feels around in the air with his foot until he feels Busters head, then cocks back his leg and launches his knee full force towards Buster’s head, but whiffs as Buster ducked his head after feeling Novas foot against it! Nova doesn’t let up though and quickly bends down to grab the arms of Buster, before blindly irish whipping Buster, where Buster lands against the turnbuckle! Nova charges in the direction he threw Buster but Buster hears the steps and sidesteps, letting Nova hit the turnbuckles! Nova grasps the ropes and gets his bearings, and now Buster starts running the way Nova came from, eventually slamming against the opposite turnbuckle as he bounces off and now charges Nova from across the ring! But Nova hears Busters footsteps, and Nova charges too, both blindly throw clotheslines before slamming into each other at full speed!
Crowd: OOOOHHHH!!!!
Paisner: BOTH MEN ON THE GROUND! A double-blind takedown!!!
Woodbridge: Have you ever seen two men blindside EACH OTHER?
Miles Alpha slams his hands on the apron to try and wake up Nova, but the crowd starts clapping along in a rally for someone amongst the two men to rise first, as they both slowly begin to stir in the middle of the ring! Mia So Hung is checking on both competitors to make sure they are able to compete, and Nova seems to be getting to his feet quicker as he begins getting on his hands on knees off the ground, while Buster is still slowly stirring to consciousness. Miles is restless on the outside as he looks to now hop on the apron while the ref tends to Buster, as he retrieves a sleeping mask from his back pocket! Alpha reaches over the top rope and puts a mask on Mia So Hung!
Crowd: BOOOOO!!!
Alpha now quickly slides something under Mia’s feet that slides and hits Nova’s hands, and Nova smiles as he pockets the object just in time for Mia to remove the mask, turn around, and begin scolding Alpha, the only non-blindfolded person in sight. Alpha shrugs his shoulders and remarks, “It wasn’t me!” But Hung is having none of it as she motions for Alpha to be ejected from ringside!
Alpha is throwing a fit on the outside, but unbeknownst to the referee, Nova has pulled his blindfold down and locates Buster, then pulls out a marker!
Crowd: NOO!!!!!!
Nova charges, removes the blindfold from Buster, and swings, but Buster ducks in the nick of time and drops to the floor to the outside of the ring as Nova quickly puts back on his mask while muttering curses under his breath. He turns around to see Mia, who is politely handing the blindfold Alpha had to ringside. Alpha begins leaving through the crowd while being sung to by the crowd, who taunts Alpha with “hey hey hey”s and “goodbye”s. Nova in the ring tries to roll out of the ring, knowing where Buster went, but when he rolls out, the not-blindfolded Buster has just got something out from under the ring! AND IT’S HUGE!
Woodbridge: OH SHIT!!!
Buster launches the comically massive marker into the gut of Nova!
Crowd: OOOHHHHHHH!!!!!
Buster slides the marker under the ring and has put back on his blindfold as Mia has turned around after scolding Alpha and removing his sleeping mask prank, and Buster grabs Nova and throws him into the ring as Nova now writhes on the mat in pain! Buster slides into the ring as well and goes for the cover! Mia drops down for the count!
Crowd: OHHHHHH!!!!!!
Woodbridge: Nova just survived the fuckin’ Hiroshima of Marker Jabs!
Paisner: That was a disgustingly big marker to the gut of Dalidus Nova, but it should be noted that was the first pinfall attempt in the entirety of this highly unusual Blindfold Match! Hard to pin your opponent and keep applying that pressure when you can barely find them!
Buster has his hands on his head in disbelief as he realizes the match isn’t over, and so he quickly grabs the downed Nova and begins to lift him to his knees, and Nova launches a two finger eye poke at Buster’s blindfold!
Crowd: O-OOHH?!?
Buster falls back and the impact of the eye poke doesn’t seem to have bothered him as much as Mia not calling for the bell!
Mia: You already blind, stupid!
Nova doesn’t let up on the attack and now pushes Buster back, holding onto him and pushing until Buster gets shoulder blocked into the corner! Buster lets out a pained groan and Nova now brings on the heat with repeated chops, rights, lefts, uppercuts, and knee strikes as Buster is on the wrong end of an all-out onslaught of strikes!
Nova now takes Buster’s battered body and begins maneuvering it up the ropes, carefully making sure to balance Buster and maintain his own balance as he sits Braggadocio upright on the top rope! Nova now climbs and mounts the ropes and then wraps an arm around the arm and shoulder of his opponent!
Woodbridge: Christ, is this the first Blindfolded Superplex!??!
Buster seems at the end of the line as Nova sizes Buster up one more time, reaching out and grabbing him by the afro as he launches a right into Buster’s forehead. But now Buster seems less limp as he now yells at the top of his lungs!
Crowd: OHHH!!!!
Nova ignores him and launches another right, and another, but Buster just shakes them off as the crowd begins to get louder and louder after each punch that Buster shakes off before a black finger is pointed right to Nova’s face!
Crowd: YYOUUUUUUU!!!!!!
Buster launches a vicious knee into Nova’s gut!
Nova is now doubled over, and Buster reaches down and grabs a hold of both arms before getting them in an underhook and jumping off the top rope, plunging Nova’s head down into the mat!!!
Javier: AND YOUR WINNER, at a time of 14:08, Busstterrr Braggaadocioo!!!!!
Woodbridge: HE HULKED UP, SAID THE N-WORD LIKE THE HULKSTER, AND BOOM! A Patmos Plunge pedigree from the top rope to punctuate this pandemonium!
Paisner: I’ll let the alliteration slide, because damn, what an effort from these two men, putting on a match while blindfolded for nearly the whole damn match! You have to give it to them, they know their way around a ring, but Buster was just barely able to use his other senses and gain an advantage over the very dangerous Dalidus Nova.
Buster finally takes his blindfold off and kisses the mat after being able to see it again, and he then limps over to the ropes to raise an ear to the crowd, who oblige with a roar of approval! Buster locates the nearest camera and lets the cameraman have an earful!
Nova has finally began to stir in the middle of the ring and Buster looks over at his fallen opponent, with a look of disappointment on his face as he runs his hands through his hair and seems to have the gears churning in his head before finally reaching down to offer a hand to Nova.
Paisner: Is this a peace offering from Buster? He.. he isn’t being honest right now is he?
Woodbridge: I don’t blame him, Pais! These two just fought over 14 minutes without looking at eachother, I would have some newfound respect too!
Nova looks up at the outreached hand of Buster, and there is a brief moment of no movement between the two as the crowd is loud with mixed reactions of booing, cheering, and anticipation, and it all comes to a halt as Nova grabs the hand of Buster only to push his arm to the side as he walks past Buster and exits the ring through the ropes.
Crowd: Boooooooo!!!
Buster stands alone in the ring, shrugging his arms in the air, before making his own way out to let the ring crew do their thing.
Javier: The following match is a tag team match set for one fall, with a 60 minute time limit, and it is for the WiR World Tag Team Championships!
Piano of an obscure song comes through the speakers, playing for a while until the guitar kicks in further, signaling the arrival of Marshall Wheeler and Mercenaire out onto the entranceway. A cold, stern sort of confidence on both of their faces, as they pay no mind to the crowd as they walk their way down to the ring.
Paisner: And now, two bad, and dangerous ass men down to the ring. Marshall Wheeler and Mercenaire of Coup d’Etat, two masters of generally beating the piss out of people, and two men who’ve proven several times their prowess in the ring as tag team partners. Recently falling SPECALIST in an excellent tag team match..;...then committing some less than excellent actions against them post-match to convince both me and The Stargazers into giving them this match tonight.
Woodbridge: And it wouldn’t be shocking to me if The Stargazers live to regret that Allen. There’s just a significant size difference in this match, June builds herself and her moveset to be able to deal with that and go toe to toe with other bruisers. But if Kat gets caught even once, both Mercenaire and Wheeler have the tools to punish her heavily, her much lighter weight means she just doesn’t have as much protection and ability to take shots and keep dishing ‘em as June does. So if these men’s strategy revolves around isolated Kat, that’s both the un-suprising option, and almost certainly the right one.
Mercenaire and Wheeler both make their way down with long, confident strides, quickly making their way to the ring apron, disregarding all the jeers tossed their direction on the way, as they step through the ropes and into the ring. Awaiting their opponents.
The mixed guitar and synth of Summer Nights by SIAMES pours throughout the whole venue, as we see our tag team champions, Kat-Anavae Emery and June Emery-Anavae of The Stargazers come out from behind the curtain, titles belts around their waists, and special for this show, both having the lesbian flag painted onto both of their cheeks. As they raise their hands into the air, before bringing them down, making a heart shape with them, and then locking hands as they rush down to the ring!
Paisner: And now our tag team champions! Looking to make another defense, and being a lesbian couple, i’m sure they’d especially love to walk out of our pride themed show with those belts still around their waists!
Woodbridge: And I think there are two major points, overcoming the size disparity, especially Kat, with their speed and agility. And apply their experience in tag team wrestling well, they simply have quite a bit more of it than Merc and Wheeler, if they can keep their fundamentals on point, they have a very good chance of retaining tonight.
The Stargazers rush the ring, quickly making it to the apron and sliding in! Taking their belts, and raising them into the air to the cheers of the crowd, before Undersach takes them in order to present them in a moment. The two teams discuss amongst one another who’ll start out, deciding on June and Wheeler respectively, as Javier prepares his announcements.
Javier: Introducing first, the challengers, from A dark, dark place, and Houston, Texas respectively, weighing in at a combined 480 pounds, COUP ‘D’ETAT!
Wheeler cockily smirks at the jeers tossed their way, as Mercenaire tunes them out completely.
Javier: And introducing next, from New Hamburg and Harmony, Ontario, Canada respectively, weighting in at a combined 302 pounds, THEY ARE THE WIR WORLD TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS, THE STAAARRRRGAAAAZZZZEEEEEERRRRSSS!
June and Kat both wave to the audience in appreciation of their support, and Undersach raises both title belts in the air to signify what this all is about. aAs we then see Undersach signal to both teams to see if they’re ready, and getting nothing but nods, calls for the bell!
As the bell sounds, June and Wheeler stare down one another, putting their arms up in anticipation to scrap, as they slowly approach each other. And as they get close, Wheeler attempts to strike in quick with a forearm! But June gets out the way, and goes to land a kick to Wheeler’s mid-section in retaliation! But Wheeler catches the leg, and goes to spin June around by it, quickly attempting an enzu lariat on her as she’s turned around, but June once again dodges! June then quickly grabs Wheeler from behind in a waist-lock, and attempts to lift him, but Wheeler slips out, and gets a go-behind into his own waist-lock and german attempt! But June back elbows Wheeler in the side of the head, and forces him to let go! June then quickly grabs Wheeler’s arm from behind, and wrings him down to a seated position in the mat! Quickly delivering a sharp kick to the back, before running the ropes, and coming back with a seated dropkick to the back of Wheeler’s head!
Paisner: The back and forth exchange, but June finding her way through, and a devastating dropkick to the back of Wheeler’s head! It always hurts more when you don’t see it coming!
Wheeler holds at the back of his head, writhing around on the mat, as June grabs him, picks him up, and whips him into a corner! Directly following as she whips him, meeting him in the corner with a lariat! Clubbing Wheeler in the upper chest!
Then taking Wheeler, and whipping him again into the opposite corner, this time bashing him on the chin with a running european uppercut!
Wheeler looks knocked loopy, as June grabs him again, whips him back into the original corner, and strikes him once again, this time with a running forearm! The sound of the impact sounding throughout the arena!
Wheeler’s eyes stare out blankly into the distance, as June then whips him yet another time, and as she rushes back at him, nails him in the head with a vicious elbow strike!
Wheeler sinks down after the elbow strike, slumped over in the corner! June then grabs him once more, whips him into the opposite corner yet again, rushing him, before jumping up and nailing him in the head with a spinning heel kick in the corner! Wheeler completely falling out the corner and onto the mat in a complete daze!
Paisner: June striking Wheeler down again and again and again and again! June starting off blazing!
June then dives right into a cover on Wheeler!
2! No! Wheeler lifts his shoulder up!
June brings Wheeler back up, and striking with several forearms into his face! Stunning Wheeler, as she whips him into her tag corner! June rushes into her tag corner to nail Wheeler with a high knee! Before she tags Kat into the ring! June grabs the stunned Wheeler, and snapmares him flat on his back to the mat! As Kat steps into the ring, and she/June both run the ropes together! Meeting back up as they come back to Wheeler’s body, as they both link hands with one another, before both falling down into a tandem elbow drop on Wheeler!
Woodbridge: The Gazers showcasing the power of love, and how said love can be used to cave someone’s chest in!
Wheeler struggles to breathe after the double elbow drop to his chest, holding at it, rolling around, and desperately trying to get air back into his lungs. As Kat then stands up, and backs up from Wheeler, before running, flipping into a handstand, then falling that into a leg drop to the neck of Wheeler!
Paisner: What remarkable athleticism from Kat! The cover!
2! No! Another kickout from Wheeler!
Kat stands up, an inspired look in her eye from the gazer’s control of the match so far, as she grabs Wheeler, and begins to try and bring him up, but struggles getting up someone twice her weight, and so settles for getting him up to a knee. Wheeler begins to gradually make his own way up a bit more, as Kat then rushes towards the ropes, jumps off them, then goes to come back with a springboard uppercut to Wheeler! But Wheeler manages to just barely get out the way at the last moment! Dodging, then stumbling back, as Kat rolls through, gets up, and rushes back at Wheeler again with a leaping forearm! But Wheeler dodges that as well! Moving behind Kat, but this leaves him open to a back elbow from Kat, stunning him! Kat then spins around, looking for a front facing elbow strike, but is cut off by Wheeler!........with a poke to the eye, followed by grabbing Kat by her hair, and tossing her down face first to the mat by it
Paisner: Wheeler with the attack to the eye followed by a hair pull! Undersach reprimanding him for both these illegal actions, but Wheeler doesn’t seem concerned at all!
Kat writhes around on the mat, holding at her face, as Wheeler rests against the ropes to catch his breath, before walking back over to Kat, and picking her up by the hair! Whipping her into his tag corner, where he follows, and nails her in the head with a running forearm shot! Completely stunning Kat in the corner!
Kat slumps over a bit, as Wheeler then tags in Mercenaire. Wheeler rocks Kat with a few more forearms to keep her stunned, before grabbing the back of her head and bringing her over to the center of the ring as Mercenaire enters. Wheeler then whips Kat into the ropes, Kat hitting the ropes by her front, bouncing off of them, and as she backs into Wheeler, he grabs her legs, and lifts her down and up into a wheelbarrow, as Mercenaire then comes in just in time of Wheeler to drop Kat forward, and Mercenaire to add onto the damage by bringing her down with a facebuster as the same time! Kat slamming hard into the mat!
Paisner: Merc and Wheeler with a double team wheelbarrow facebuster! Kat face first planted into the mat! Wheeler heads to the apron as Merc goes into the cover!
2! No! Kickout by Kat!
Kat looks dazed on the mat from her face being driven straight into it, as Mercenaire grabs her by her hair, drags her over to his tag corner, and tosses the still downed Kat into the middle turnbuckle! The back of her head impacting it, as she clutches at where her head bounces off! As Mercenaire does not give her any grace period to recover, immediately going to stomp her right in the face! Booting her in the head repeatedly as she sinks down further in the corner to a complete seated position! Where upon then Mercenaire changes to pressing his boot against Kat’s neck, choking her out! Undersach quickly comes over to count Mercenaire off for the choke, getting nearly to the 5 count before Mercenaire finally breaks!
Undersach reprimands Mercenaire for almost getting himself DQ’d, as Mercenaire turns around to argue with Undersach, standing right in his face as he does so……..which seems to all be a cover for him repeatedly mule kicking Kat with both his legs as he argues!
Paisner: Mercenaire bending the rules all he can, pushing the limits of all he can get away with!
Eventually, he ends the argument with Undersach, as he turns back around, and lifts Kat up, before taking her to the middle of the ring, and whipping her into the ropes! Intercepting her with a big boot as she rebounds off the ropes, flooring her to the mat!
Kat writhes around on the mat, holding at her face after being floored by the boot, as Mercenaire smirks at the damage he’s done, before grabbing Kat by her hair, and looking out to June on the apron. Silently telling her to watch, as he lays in a vicious european uppercut! Flooring Kat to the ground once more!
Kat falls like a rock to the mat, as Mercenaire eyes out to the apron once more, June looking into the ring with a now angered expression on her face, as Mercenaire grabs Kat up by her hair yet again, and staring at June the whole time, strikes Kat down with another european uppercut!
June glares at Mercenaire with anger, as Mercenaire remains silent, but keeps his eyes locked with June the whole time, as he grabs a handful of Kat’s hair, bringing her up by it once more. Mercenaire then forms a twisted smirk on his face, as he floors Kat with another european uppercut right in front of June!
June is fuming on the apron by now, yelling at Mercenaire to fight her rather than beat up on her wife, as Mercenaire laughs at her anger, as he goes to pick Kat up by her hair yet another time…..and this sets June off! As she rushes into the ring, and nails Mercenaire with a running forearm to get him off of Kat, as she goes wild laying in more and more strikes!
Paisner: Mercenaire taunting June by striking down her wife while looking her in the eye, and she’s had enough! Coming into the ring to defend her partner!
June lays into Mercenaire, but things get broken up as Undersach comes in to get the non-legal wrestler off of Merc, pushing her away….and in this commotion, gives an opening for Wheeler to come into the ring, and lay down vicious stomps to Kat’s chest while Undersach isn’t looking!
June yells at Undersach to turn around and see what’s going on, as he continues to just try and get an angered June back onto the apron, while meanwhile Wheeler’s stomping has gone past what would’ve been a 5 count, as Mercenaire uses the whole distraction to join Wheeler in mercilessly stomping on Kat!
Undersach eventually gets June onto the apron, Wheeler upon seeing this, rushes back to the apron as if nothing happened, as Mercenaire grabs Kat, and picks her up. June still very heated in her tag corner. Merc then whips Kat into a corner, then rushes right at her, and jumps up to clock her in the head with a high knee! Then grabs her arm, and pulls her into a short-arm clothesline! Taking her back down to the mat!
Woodbridge: Incredible viciousness and efficiency from Coup d’Etat, they’re looking well on their way to a championship tonight.
Kat is laid out on the ground, a blank expression on her face as she lays mostly limp. Mercenaire then goes over to the ropes, grabbing onto them as he seems to await Kat to come to. Kat eventually begins to show signs of life, crawling just a bit to be able to grab the ropes, and gradually pull herself up. She slowly makes her way up with what energy she still has, as she eventually gets all the way up to her feet, and stumbles her way out the corner! Where upon when, Merc rushes at her, twirls around, and connects with a spinning backfist to her face!
Mercenaire then kicks the stunned Kat in the gut with his left leg, doubling her over, before raising his knee with the right leg to connect with her face!......but Kat catches the knee right before it connects with her face!
Paisner: Mercenaire going for Remise, but Kat manages to stop the knee finisher!
Kat pushes Mercenaire off of her by his knee, as Mercenaire tries to quickly respond after stopping his momentum with a jumping enziguri! But Kat ducks her head under, and as Merc tries to quickly kneel up, Kat nails him in the side of the head with a kneeling roundhouse, before collapsing to the mat!
Both wrestlers are out on the mat, Kat exhausted, and Mercenaire stunned from the roundhouse. We see June on the apron, jumping and stomping on the apron! Trying to inspire Kat over!
We then see Kat begin to move, as Mercenaire is still laid out motionless on the mat, Kat digs her hands into the mat and begins to slowly crawl her way over to her tag corner. June continues to jump and stomp, hyping Kat up to get her to the corner! Kat continues to slowly make her way over, inching closer and closer, before eventually, leaping over to tag in June!.....but suddenly, Wheeler appeals from behind, and cuts June’s legs out from under her! Causing June to faceplant on the apron, as Kat’s hand makes contact with nothing!
Wheeler then slides into the ring, as he begins to stomp on the back of Kat! Stomping her into the ground!
Undersach goes to force Wheeler as the non-legal man off of Kat, and does so, as Wheeler shifts focus. Going over to Mercenaire, who’s just beginning to come to, and instructing him to roll out the ring, which Merc does, resetting the legal man to Wheeler, as Merc then comes right back in. Wheeler picking Kat back up, as he whips her hard into a corner! Kat making a forceful impact with the turnbuckles, tensing up in pain after hitting them! As Mercenaire charges first, clobbering Kat with a lariat in the corner! Wheeler then rushes himself, Merc getting out the way to give him the space to clobber Kat with his own lariat!
Kat slumps down in the corner, but Merc lifts her back up, then whips her into the opposite corner! Mercenaire rushing towards the corner, and nailing Kat in the head with a running knee strike! Knocking her loopy. As Merc then gets out the way for Wheeler to come rushing in himself, jumping up to knee Kat in her head!.....but Kat manages to get out the way at the last moment! Wheeler jamming him knee into the turnbuckle! Wheeler hobbles on his one leg, as Mercenaire is took aback by this, trying to quickly turn around and get after Kat, but gets clocked with Kat jumping up with a bicycle knee! Intercepting Mercenaire and clocking him in the head! Knocking him near off balance, as Kat finishes him with a superkick to the face! Knocking Mercenaire over, and Merc falls into the ropes, and falls through the middle rope to the outside!
Paisner: Coup attempting a doubled up version of Quatre! But Kat cutting them off! Taking Mercenaire out!
As Kat takes out Mercenaire, Wheeler recovers enough to come at Kat, jumping up with a superman punch! But Kat dodges! Wheeler turns around, but Kat grabs him, and whips him into the opposite corner! Kat following him, going to meet him in the corner, but Wheeler intercepts by getting a leg up! Kat running right into it! Kat stumbles back from running into the boot, as he then grabs Kat, and whips her back into the original corner! Where he now rushes Kat, and goes to nail her with a vicious running forearm!.....but suddenly, Kat ducks under, and June hops up onto the apron, meeting Wheeler with her own forearm shot, before tagging herself in!
As soon as June enters the ring, she rushes the stumbling back Wheeler, and absolutely destroys him with a clothesline from hell!
June goes immediately into the cover, as we notice Kat rolling onto the apron and lying down. Undersach goes to count!
No! Kickout from Wheeler!
June stands up, looking out to the crowd with intensity in her eyes, letting out a passionate yell, before heading over to the ropes! Beginning to scale up them, making it to the top rope, balancing herself up on it! She looks down at the grounded Wheeler, takes a deep breath, before jumping off, and coming down back first with all her weight on Wheeler as she destroys Wheeler with a top rope senton!
No! Wheeler lifts his shoulder up!
June doesn’t relent, as she quickly gets back on Wheeler, grabbing him, and lifting him up. She puts her arm around Wheeler looking to lift him up in a uranage, but Wheeler manages to block! June tries to lift again, but we see Wheeler drop to a knee to block! June sends a knee into Wheeler’s chest in response! Then another! Then another! The force of the knee causing June to lose her own grip for a moment, before quickly going to re-grab Wheeler, and lift him up with the uranage! But as she has Wheeler lifted up, Wheeler desperately reaches out with one of his hands, and rakes the eyes of June! Forcing June to drop him!
Undersach goes over to warn Wheeler for this action, as Wheeler “accidentally” latches onto him as he stumbles back from being released, pushing Undersach away! And as he’s briefly facing away Wheeler uses the opportunity to low blow June! June dropping onto her hands and knees in pain, as Wheeler mounts, then rolls forward into a gedo clutch! Undersach turning around, seeing this, and going over to count the pin!
NO! Kickout from June!
Paisner: June kicks out of the low blow into roll-up! I’ve talked before with cis gal wrestlers about this, don’t underestimate how much that shit still hurts even if it’s not a dick kick! Wheeler nearly stole it after pushing Undersach away!
Wheeler pushes himself up to his feet, stumbling and nearly losing balance as he does so, but managing to re-adjust, as we see June push herself to her feet as well, and as she does so, Wheeler charges, spins around, and goes to blast June in the face with a spinning back elbow! But June ducks her head under! Wheeler whiffing the elbow! Before Wheeler can turn around, June does so herself, tripping Wheeler’s legs from out under him, faceplanting him on the mat, before hooking her legs on Wheeler’s arms, using them to twist Wheeler onto his shoulders, before bridging back for the prawn hold!
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New year's - Holiday Shop event MEGATHREAD

New year's - Holiday Shop event MEGATHREAD
As usual I'll be trying to summarize the facts about the Xmas event from WOTB. This will be a live post, updated as we gather deeper insight on how the event works:

  • Grindable event: This is equivalent to the infamous Christmas tree from last year but hopefully much better. It seems that it will have some fixed rewards: Rampanzer at Level 4, Snow globe (random nice reward like last year's lucky draw) at Level 7 and the New Tier VK90.01(P) collectable at level 14, finishing with the legendary camo for the new tank at 15.
  • Start & Duration (20 "full" days)
    • CIS: from December 19, 8:00 (MSK) to January 9, 8:00 (MSK)
    • Europe: from December 19, 13:00 (CET) to January 9, 13:00 (CET)
    • North America: from December 19, 5:00 (PT) / 8:00 (ET) to January 9, 5:00 (PT) / 8:00 (ET)
    • Asia: from December 19, 14:00 (UTC+8) to January 9, 14:00 (UTC+8)

  • CURRENCIES: In order to progress levels you'll need snowflakes. You can get snowflakes from holiday chests that can be purchased using:
    • Clementines: Clementines: clementines (an increasing number every chest you buy) grant 5-50 snowflakes plus other goods..
    • FreeXP: 50K grant 5-50 snowflakes plus other goods and a chance of a SnowGlobe. Average snowflakes per chest seems above 10 (12-13).
    • Gold: 2500g grant 10-100 snowflakes plus other goods and a chance of a SnowGlobe.

  • List of levels, cost in Snowflakes (SF) and rewards:
    • Total amount (+Level increase):
      • STAGE 1: 5 - REWARD: 75000 credits
      • STAGE 2: 15 (+10) - 1 day Premium
      • STAGE 3: 32 (+17) -100000 credits, 10 certificates for 200 Free XP, and a certificate for the Evergreen Camoflauge (Tier 5 only)
      • STAGE 4: 51 (+19) - Pz. V/IV
      • STAGE 5: 72 (+21) - 3 days Premium
      • STAGE 6: 95 (+23) - 150000 credits, 20 certificates for 200 Free XP, and a certificate for the Evergreen Camoflauge (Tier 6 only)
      • STAGE 7: 120 (+25) - 1 Snow Globe
      • STAGE 8: 170 (+50) - 5 days Premium and a certificate for the Starlight Night Camoflauge (Tier 7 only)
      • STAGE 9: 320 (+150) - 1000 gold, 15 certificates for 2300 Free XP, and a certificate for the Starlight Night Camoflauge (Tier 8 only)
      • STAGE 10: 520 (+200) - 1 Snow Globe
      • STAGE 11: 770 (+200) - 10 days Premium and a certificate for the Grandma's Gift Camoflauge (Tier 9 only)
      • STAGE 12: 1120 (+400) - 3000 gold, 5 certificates for 28000 Free XP, and a certificate for the Grandma's Gift Camoflauge (Tier 10 only)
      • STAGE 13: 1620 (+500) - 3 Snow Globes
      • STAGE 14: 2320 (+700) - VK 90.01 (P)
      • STAGE 15: 3920 (+1600) - A certificate for the Blade Legendary Camoflauge (VK 90.01 (P) only), the Holiday Gem avatar, and 5 Snow Globes.

  • Getting clementines: For F2P players this will be the main source. You will get 1 per win, 2 per win with x2/x5. So we can say a devoted player can get as much as 80 (20 tanks x 2 daily refresh x 2) = 8 crates/day. Chests bought with clementines will be increasing their price. Appareently for the first levels this goes up by 10 every chest you get. If that's the case the analysis is like follows (sorry, too big of a chart to copy here), but overall
Under this assumptions and taking an average of 8,5 snowflakes/chest with 60% WR.
  • 9 daily battles will get you 210 mandarines and 6 chests => 51 snowflakes, enough for LEVEL 4
  • 50 daily battles will get you 1200 mandarines and 15 chests => 127,5 snowflakes, enough for LEVEL7.
  • 105 daily battles will get you 2500 mandarines and 22 chests => 187 snowflakes, enough for LEVEL8.
  • 308 daily battles will get you 7410 mandarines and 28 chests => 323 snowflakes, enough for LEVEL9.
So honestly I think the physical F2P limit will be in Level 9. Getting past level 10 will require some FreeXP, gold or both.

  • Snow Globes & Rewards: SnowGlobes are the "BIG price lottery" of the event, like the LuckyDraws from last year. We'll be getting them as fixed rewards at levels 7, 10 and 13 and and then from the XP & gold chests with a low chance. The rewards are:
    • T10: M-60, T22, AMX30B VK90.01(P)m
    • T8: ScorpionG, WZ-120-1G FT, IS3Defender, T28 Defender
    • T7: Dracula, Helsing, Tankenstein, Gravedigger.
    • Other: 10.000 Gold, 200K FreeXP.
Unused snowglobes will net you 5000 gold at the end of the event (not that this is worth IMHO)

  • Auctions: We know there will be inverse auctions, we just don't know yet which tanks will be for sale. We can assume though that most of the ones in the SnowGlobes will take part, plus some juicy additions to milk us from our gold (Amx30Proto, T55A, K91 and Smasher starting at 30 are my bets). Tanks spotted in the video:
    • First batch is here! 5k tanks of each of these models: Wz.112-2, Lorraine, Tankenstein, LeKpz M41, Obj 252U, staring between 15k and 10K gold.

UPDATE: Here's an analysis of price drops comparing vs tanks in auctions in last year's event. In blu you can see the final prices. Main comments/advice for the auction:
  • First batches go slow, tanks usually reach their final price (PriceDrop-7 column) so no rush.
  • Future batches suffer from inflation. People start getting gold boxes and money burns in their hands.
  • SPEND WISELY. Paying 16-17K for a drac/helsing is quite nuts. You could almost secure those tanks in crate events for that amount.
  • Not sure why WG has upped the price of Tankenstein by over 1500g this year (starting 8500 vs 10000) but it seems absurd.


  • Adventure Mode: Looks like a board game where you can move and discover the board to get prices. You have limited daily moves and random events (traps, bonuses...). Completing it grants a special avatar. Only comment here is that there are 21 boxes giving 168 clementines.

  • Getting Gold: We'll get similar boxes to the ones from last year that fill up by winning battles. This was a really good deal for gold (specially the 20K one). Prices are ok. In the img you can check discounted prices from Amazon App store (ES)
    • Rare (x5): 1500g, 5 available, cost 2,29€. 41 games to fill in each box.
    • Epic (x2): 8500g, 2 available, cost 10,99€. 110 games to fill . in each box.
    • Legendary (x1): 20K gold, 1 available, cost 22€. 229 games to fill in the box.
This is BY FAR THE BEST GOLD DEAL IN THE WHOLE YEAR. The amount of gold you get for your cash is between 2-3 times more compared to the military budget (best "regular" offer). So if you plan to spend money at some time, do get it.


Reaching level 14 just with gold:
  • If gold chests average 25 snowflakes => 232000 gold to complete => Cost of that gold: 614€ -386€ (with Max Amazon Appstore+coins savings)

EVENT FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS: Following you can see a chart depicting:
  • Clementine Box number
  • Cost of the clementine box
  • Total Clementines required so far.
  • Daily games to get those clementines during the event.
  • Average Snowflakes obtained (assuming AVG of 8,5)
  • Average level reached in the event
  • Low Snowflakes obtained (worst case all boxes throwing 5)
  • Low level reached in the event (with all boxes 5).
  • Same, Counting 186 free clementines from the tank minigame.
  • Daily games to get those clementines during the event.

F2P event feasibility:
  • Thing is this event is very much luck-dependant. As a pure F2P player (assuming no gold/freeXP) you can only realisticly aim for Level5. Anything above that is luck just dependant. You get a start of 168 clementines that turn into 4 chests. Depending on how well you do in those chests just reaching Level 4 for the free can turn out to be an impossible task. If you get the minimum, reaching the 51 SNFs will require you almost 1000 clementines grind, over 41 daily games at 60% WR.

Under this assumptions and taking an average of 8,5 snowflakes/chest with 60% WR.

  • 9 daily battles will get you 210 mandarines and 6 chests => 51 snowflakes, enough for LEVEL 4
  • 50 daily battles will get you 1200 mandarines and 15 chests => 127,5 snowflakes, enough for LEVEL7.
  • 105 daily battles will get you 2500 mandarines and 22 chests => 187 snowflakes, enough for LEVEL8.
  • 308 daily battles will get you 7410 mandarines and 28 chests => 323 snowflakes, enough for LEVEL9.
So honestly I think the physical F2P limit will be in Level 8-9. Getting past level 10 will require some FreeXP, gold or both.
  • Veteran or P2W zone 1: Levels 8-12. By investing a considerable amount of FreeXP, gold on top of a heavy grind.
  • Insane P2W zone: Ok, ur' nuts and want to pay for the WG Xmas party alone. I'll try to do some calculations but this is going to be real expensive. Reaching level 14 just with gold:
    • If gold chests average 25 snowflakes => 232000 gold to complete => Cost of that gold: 614€ -386€ (with Max Amazon Appstore+coins savings)


EDIT1: Fixed a couple typos (Thnks R34_Skyline !!) completed img of rewards & added a section for the gold boxes.
Edit2: Added info on adventure mode and event duration.
Edit 3: Completed cost per level and cost per mandarines chest analysis.
EDIT4: Comparative analysis with 2019 of the auctions. Games required to fill in boxes.
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Is there a PC term for this?

The word tr*p is obviously a slur for the LGBTQ+ community, but when specifically talking about anime, what kind of word can I use as a PC alternative?
Their gender expression does not match their gender identity and or sex(for what I know, some are cis some aren't).
The terms femboy/tomboy are what seems to be the best bet, but these also seem to be derogatory.
The only other terms I can think of are Drag and Crossdresser, the latter is almost certainly derogatory from what I'm aware of.
One individual I discussed this with said the term Gender Queer / Exploring would work best.
I'm not very well versed in these topics, so I wanted to get advice from the people in the community itself.
What would you consider to be the most PC version of the previously mentioned slur? As a side note, if anything I mentioned here regarding what is and isn't generally regarded as offensive is factually incorrect, please point it out.
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Advice for a low-mid register scream that would fit experimental black metal project

Hello! I'm a one man(woman) black metal band, I haven't sang in quite a while and I used to do harsh vocals for a high school punk band, but that doesn't really count.
Just to clarify, I am not a cis woman, so my voice is pretty deep and I have no idea what my vocal range actually is, so I think my safest bet to refine my screaming style would be asking fellow screamers here. I generally tend to favour closer to death growls but I would like any advice to best practice for a high-ish shriek typical of black metal. And also what to practice for death growls to get them as guttural as possible.
I kind of enjoy my highly unrefined approach as I think it fits what I'm doing, but practice can't hurt at all and any advice given is 100% appreciated. Thank you!
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The Alt-Right Playbook: How to Radicalize a Normie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55t6eryY3g - 41:34
Say, for the sake of argument, your friend Gabe is starting to worry you.
Gabe’s always been just, you know, a regular guy. Not very political. He likes video games, sci-fi, comics, Star Wars, and anime. White guy shit. The only offbeat thing about him is you suspect there’s like a 20% chance he’s a furry. For all intents and purposes, Gabe is a normie.
But recently Gabe’s been spending a lot of time on some radically conservative forums, and listening to radically conservative podcasts, and picking some radically conservative arguments with you and your friends. You never would have expected this, not from Gabe, and, given the speed it’s happened, it’s worrying to think where it might be headed.
How have the Alt-Right gotten their hooks into your friend? ...
Step 1: Identify the Audience
What you need to know before we begin is: around 2013, the Nazis went online.
Hate groups in the US, as tracked by the Southern Poverty Law Center, had been growing in number since the noughts, but, between 2012 and 2014, they dropped by almost a quarter. Patriot groups dropped by over a third. However, hate crimes stayed about the same. Radical conservatism was not shrinking, but decentralizing. Still radical, still often violent, but now full of white nationalist nomads unlikely to join a formal organization.
This didn’t make them harmless. What it did was protect their asses from the typical hate group cycle: getting the public’s attention, making allies in conservative media, swelling their numbers, and then eventually disgracing themselves with failures, infighting, and, often enough, members committing horrific acts of violence, which come with social and sometimes legal consequences for all the other members.
So the Alt-Right and their fellow travelers these days don’t so much have members. They have hashtags, followers, viewers, and subscribers. This insulates them from their own audience. If Gabe, as a member of that audience, were to go out and commit a crime on their behalf, there’d be little doubt they had a hand in radicalizing him, but it’d be very hard to claim they told him to do it. On some of these sites, where Gabe spends hours and hours of his day, he’s never created an account or left a comment; the people radicalizing him don’t even know he’s there.
This distributed nature is what makes the Alt-Right, and the movements connected to it, unique. (You may remember a notable proof-of-concept for this strategy.) Doing almost everything online has, as compared with traditional hate movements, dramatically increased their reach and inoculated them from consequence. The trade-off, as we will see, is a lack of control.
And so we come to Gabe.
Gabe exists at the intersection of the kinds of people the Alt-Right is looking for - straight white cis men who feel emasculated by modern society, primarily, though they do make exceptions - and the kinds of people who are vulnerable to recruitment. Gabe fits the first profile in that he got bullied in high school, and often feels he has to hide his nerdy side for fear of getting ridiculed. The Alt-Right also has success with men who can’t get laid or recently got divorced or feel anxious about an influx of non-white people in their community. These things can make one feel like less than the confident white man they’re “supposed” to be. And it’s the closest they will ever come to being minoritized.
Regarding the second profile, it’s important to know that Gabe is not categorically different from you or me. He’s a cishet white dude - his problems are not unique. There isn’t a ton of research into the demography of the Alt-Right, but there may be a higher-than-average chance Gabe has a history of being abused or comes from a broken home. You don’t know if it’s true of Gabe, he’s never said. But most abuse survivors don’t become Nazis. The things that make people like Gabe recruitable tend to be situational: it happens often during periods of transition, as dramatic as the death of a loved or as benign as moving to a new city. Things that make people ask big life questions. Gabe has concerns like economic precarity, not knowing his place in a changing world, stressful working conditions. In other words, Gabe is suffering under late capitalism, same as everyone, and it’s entirely plausible he could have gone down the path to becoming a Leftist.
This is not to make an “economic anxiety” argument: the animating force of the Far Right is and always has been bigotry. But the Alt-Right targets Gabe by treating his “economic anxiety” as one of many things bigotry can be sold as a solution to. It is their aim that, when dissatisfied white men go looking for answers, they find the Alt-Right before they find us.
Step Two: Establish a Community
Were Gabe pledging an old-school hate movement, there would probably be a recruiter to usher him into an existing community. But that’s the kind of formalized interaction modern extremists try to avoid. Online extremism has many points of entry, and everybody’s journey is unique, so rather than be comprehensive we will focus on what are, in my estimation, the two most common pathways: the Far Right creates a community Gabe is likely to stumble into, or infiltrates a community Gabe is already in.
The stumble-upon method has two main branches, one of which is just “Gabe ends up on a chan board,” which we’ve already done a video about. The other is kind of the polar opposite of 4chan’s cult of anonymity: Gabe ends up in the fandom of a Far Right thought leader.
These folks are charismatic media personalities (that’s charismatic according to Gabe’s tastes, not ours; I don’t understand it, either). These personalities may gain traction on any number of platforms, from podcasts to reportage to blogging, though the most effective platform for redpilling is, and yes I am biting the hand that feeds me, YouTube. They may get Gabe’s attention through fairly standard means, like talking about or even generating controversy to get themselves trending, while some of the more committed will employ dubious SEO tactics like clickbait, google bombing, and data voids (just pause for definitions, we don’t have time).
What they tend to have in common, especially the most accessible ones, is that they don’t present themselves as entry points to the radical Right. In fact, many did not set out to be Far Right thought leaders, and may not think of themselves as such (though they are often selling products, of which the Alt-Right are among their biggest purchasers, and it’s not like they’re turning the money away). How they present is the same way anyone presents who wants to be successful on social media: accessible, approachable, authentic. The face-to-face relationship a budding extremist forms with their recruiter or the leader of their hate group’s local chapter are here folded into one parasocial relationship with a complete stranger.
Why this person appeals to Gabe is they’re not selling politics as politics, but conservatism as a kind of lifestyle brand. They rely heavily on criticizing or ridiculing the Left: feminists are oversensitive, Black people unintelligent, queer folks doomed to loneliness, and trans people insane; I dunno if it’s a coincidence that these are all things Gabe thinks about himself in his low moments. By contrast, they don’t sell conservatism as having sounder policies or a more coherent moral framework, but that abandoning progressive principles and embracing conservative ones will make Gabe happier. Remember, Gabe isn’t looking for white nationalism or misogyny, what he wants is the cure to soul-sickness, and these friendly micro-celebs are here to offer a shot of life advice with politics as the chaser. It is extremely important that politics be presented as a set of affects, not a set of beliefs.
The second pathway is infiltration, which is its own beast. Media personalities sometimes become gateways to the Right almost by accident: they do something edgy, a part of their audience reacts positively, and, facing no real consequence, they do it more; this leads to further positive reinforcement from conservative fans, the rest of the audience acclimates, and the cycle repeats, the personality pushing the envelope further and further based on what flies with their increasingly conservative audience. In this way, they become a right-wing figure by both radicalizing and being radicalized by their audience.
Infiltration is deliberate.
The Far Right will reliably target any community that has 1) a large, white, male population, 2) whose niche interests allow them to feel vaguely marginalized, and 3) who are not used to progressive critique of said interests. This isn’t to say progressive critique doesn’t exist, or hasn’t been baked into the property from the beginning, but that it has been, so far, easy for white guys to ignore. As such, progressives within that community probably don’t talk politics much, and women and minorities are perfectly welcome to post, same as anyone, but just, you know, don’t, don’t make identity politics, you know, like, a thing.
Given Gabe’s proclivities, he’s probably already in a number of fan communities where he can geek out and not get teased. And this is where the Far Right will go looking for him
Communities are at their most vulnerable to infiltration at times of political discord. This can happen naturally - say, a new property in the fandom has a Black protagonist - or it can be provoked - say, a bunch of channers join the forum and say provocative things about race to get people arguing - or both. Left to its own devices, the community might sort out its differences and maybe even come out more progressive than they started. But, with the right pressure applied in the right moment, these communities can devolve into arguments about the need to remove a nebulously-defined “politics” from the conversation.
The adage about bros on the internet is “‘political’ means anything I disagree with,” but it’d be more accurate to say, here, “‘political’ means anything on which the community disagrees.” For instance, “Nazis are bad” is an apolitical statement because everyone in the community agrees. It’s common sense, and therefore neutral. But, paradoxically, “Nazis are good” is also apolitical; because “Nazis are bad” is the consensus, “Nazis are good” must be just an edgy joke, and, even if not, the community already believes the opposite, so the statement is harmless. Tolerable. However, “feminism is good” is a political statement, because the community hasn’t reached consensus. It is debatable, and therefore political, and you should stop talking about it. And making political arguments, no matter how rational, is having an agenda, and having an agenda is ruining the community.
(Now, it is curious how the things that provoke the most disagreement tend to be whichever ones make white dudes uncomfortable. One of life’s great, unanswerable mysteries.)
You can gather where this is going: a community that doesn’t tolerate progressivism but does tolerate Nazism is going to start collecting Nazis, Nazis whose goal is to drive a wedge between the community and the Left. Once the Left acknowledges, “Hey, your community’s developing a Nazi problem,” the Nazis - who are, remember, trusted, apolitical members of the community who might just be kidding about all the Nazi shit - say, “Did you hear that, guys?! Those cultural Marxists just called all of us Nazis!” Wedge. Similarly, any community members who say, “but Nazis though” are framed as infiltrators pushing an agenda, even if they’ve been there longer than the Nazis have. They get the wedge, too.
This is how fandoms radicalize. They are built as - yeah, I’ll say it - safe spaces for nerds, weebs, and furries, and are told that the Left is a threat to their safety. Given a choice between leaving a community that has mattered to him for years and simply adjusting to the community’s shifting politics, the assumption is that Gabe will stay. This assumption is right often enough that a lot of fandoms have been colonized.
What is true of both of these methods - Gabe finding the Right or the Right finding him - is that Gabe does not come nor stay for the ideology. He’s here for the community, the sense of belonging, of being with his people, of having his fears validated and his enjoyment shared. The ideology is simply the price of admission.
Step Three: Isolate
There is a vast, interconnected network of Far Right communities out there, and Gabe is, at this point, only on the periphery. In order to keep him in, they need to disrupt his relationships to other communities, and become, more and more, his primary online social space. Having made this space hostile to the Left, they now seek to break his connections to progressives elsewhere in his life.
This is hard to do online. The whole appeal of moving radicalism to the internet is that your away-from-keyboard life doesn’t have to change. You are crypto the moment you log off. Some thought leaders will encourage their audience to cut ties with Family of Origin, or “deFOO,” but, even then, they can’t monitor whether the audience has actually done it the way an in-person movement could. And so alienating Gabe from the Left is less controlled, and, consequently, may be less total. How much Gabe isolates is up to him.
But the vast majority of Far Right media presumes an alienation from the Left. Part of conservative bloggers and YouTubers making the Left look pathetic is doing a lot take-downs and responses. This is a constant repetition of the Left’s arguments for the purpose of mockery, and, for Gabe, it starts to replace any engagement with progressive media directly. He soon knows the Left only through caricature. It also trains him, if he does directly engage, to approach the Left with the same combative stance as his role models. (For reference, see my comment section.) And this is only if he doesn’t partake in one of the many active boycotts of “SJW media.”
In addition to mocking the Left’s arguments, they also, curiously, appropriate them. This is one part sanitization: liberal centrism is more socially acceptable; indeed, many figures on the outer layers think of themselves as moderates, even as they serve as gateways to radicalism. But, also, many of Gabe’s problems could be addressed by progressive leftism, so they sell him racist, sexist versions of it. Yes, there is a problem with workers being underpaid and overextended, but the solution isn’t unions, it’s deporting immigrants; yes, there is a chronic loneliness and anger to being a man in the modern age, but it’s not because of the toxic masculine expectations placed on you by the patriarchy, it’s women being slutty; yes, wealth disparity does mean a tiny percentage of elites have more influence over culture and politics than the rest of us combined, but the problem isn’t capitalism, it’s the Jews. And it’s hard for Gabe to reject these ideas without, in the process, rejecting the progressive ideas they’re copied from; the Right’s “take the red pill” is, to the untrained eye, similar to the Left’s “get woke.” (Or, at least, the bowdlerized version of “get woke” that is no longer specifically about race which came to fashion when white people started saying it, grumble grumble.)
Take the red pill or reject them both; either is a step to the right.
As this rhetoric slips into his day-to-day conversation, even as seemingly harmless “irreverence,” it may strain relationships with people who are not entertained by this shit. Off-color comments about race and gender can certainly be wearying for female and non-white friends, which can lead to a passive distance or an eventual confrontation [“why is everyone but me so sensitive?!”], which only seem to confirm what his reactionary community says about liberal snowflakes. If he says these things on social media, he may get his account suspended, and, if he comes back under an alt, you can bet his new reactionary friends will be the first to reconnect, applaud the behavior that got him banned, and repeat should he get banned again. A few cycles of this and he’s lost touch with everyone else.
Also, his adoption of the insular, meme-laden terminology of this community makes him less and less comprehensible to outsiders.
Over time, sources of information get replaced with community-approved ones: conservative news, conservative YouTube, conservative Wikipedia if he’s really committed. The Algorithm soon takes note and stops recommending media from the Left. He stops watching shows with a “liberal agenda,” which usually means shows starring women and people of color. Now, there is evidence that the human mind responds to fictional characters similarly to real people, and that consuming diverse media can decrease bigotry in ways roughly analogous to having a diverse group of friends, which is one of many reasons we say representation matters. By consuming a homogenous media diet, Gabe stymies his ability to have even parasocial relationships with anyone who isn’t a cishet conservative white dude or one of their approved exceptions.
To the extent that any of this happens, it happens at Gabe’s discretion and at his own chosen pace. It has not been forced on him, only encouraged and rewarded. But the fact that it hasn’t been forced can make him all the more willing to accept it, because it seems safe to consider; even though his life and social circle are changing to accommodate, he does not feel committed. But many Gabes have walked these halls, and, if they close the door behind them, there’s nowhere left to go but down.
Step Four: Raise their Power Level
(…and they say we ruined anime.)
Consider the ecosystem of the Alt-Right as layers of an onion, with Gabe sitting at the edge and ready to traverse towards the center. (No, I’m not just going to reiterate the PewDiePipeline, though, if you haven’t seen it, go do that.)
The outer layer of the onion is extremism at its most plausibly deniable. Without careful scrutiny, the public-facing figureheads could pass as dispassionate, and the websites as merely problematic rather than softly fascist. It is valuable if Gabe believes this as well; that, at this stage, he believe the bigotry is simply trolling, the extremists an insignificant minority, and any report of harassment faked. That he believe where he is is as deep as the rabbit hole goes. And that he continue to believe this at each successive layer.
People in the deepest crevices of the Alt-Right self-report getting redpilled on multiple issues at different times in their journey to the center of the onion. If Gabe’s first red pill is about the SJWs coming for his free speech, he’ll think that’s all anyone in his community believes; there’s no racism here, people are just making a point about their right to use slurs. Then, when he gets redpilled on the white genocide, he’ll laugh at those Alt-Lite cucks who tried to sweep the race realists under the rug, and at himself for having once been one, but acknowledge that those channels and websites are still useful for onboarding people, so he won’t denounce them. At the same time, nobody takes those manosphere betas seriously.
And this process is reiterated with every pill swallowed: gender essentialism, autogynephilia, birtherism, Sandy Hook truth, pizzagate, QAnon if he’s really out there. The heart of the onion is typically the Jewish Question, but these can happen in any order, and in any number. But each layer sells itself as being, finally, the ultimate truth. Each denies the validity of the others; the layers ahead don’t exist, they’re made up my liberals, while the people behind are asleep where you are now awake. That’s why they chose “the red pill” as their metaphor: take it, and everything will be revealed. That’s why it cozies up with conspiracism. But what’s supposed to follow is that this knowledge help Gabe in some way, and it doesn’t. Blaming immigrants doesn’t actually fix the economy, and hating women doesn’t make men less lonely. But, having been alienated from everything outside the onion, once that sinks in, the only recourse on offer is to seek out the next pill.
And pills are easy to find. Those within the network have laissez-faire relationships, even as they, on paper, disavow one another. When they need a source or a guest host, they aren’t going to go to the Left; they’re going to feature each other. The Left is the enemy; their ideas are beneath consideration, and the only reason to engage them is for public humiliation. [Shapiro’s book.] But you can interview “western chauvinists” and that doesn’t mean you’re endorsing them, just, you know, it’s fine to hear ‘em out, nothing should be off-limits in the marketplace of ideas. Besides, Nazis are apolitical.
And because these folks keep showing up in each others’ metadata, regardless of what they say, Google thinks there is definitely a relationship between the guy “just asking questions” and the guy denying the Holocaust. Gabe is softly exposed to many flavors of conservatism just slightly more radical than he is now, and is expected, at the very least, to not question their presence. This is an environment where deradicalizing - listening to the Left - would be sleeping with the enemy, but radicalizing further? You do you, buddy.
Gabe’s emotional journey, however, is somewhat more complex. If you’ve spent any time reading or watching reactionary media you’ve probably noticed it’s really. fucking. repetitive. It’s a few thousand phrasings of the same handful of arguments. Like, there’s only so many jokes about attack helicopters! But these people just crank out content, and most of it’s derivative; the reason to pick one personality over another isn’t because they say something different, but because they say it differently. Gabe just picks the affect it’s delivered in.
Repetition dulls the shock of the most egregious statements, making them appear normal and prepping him for more extreme ideas. Meanwhile, the arguments themselves? They’re not good. (BreadTube will never run out of shit to debunk.) They are repetitive because they’re not good. They’re mantric. A good argument you only need to hear one time; if you can follow it, internalize it, and explain it to someone else, you know you’ve understood it. But a bad argument can’t convince you on its own merits, so it will often rely on affect. This can be the snappy, thought-terminating cliche, or the long, winding diatribe that sounds really sensible while you’re hearing it but when someone asks you for the gist you can only say “go watch these 17 videos and it’ll all make sense.” Both these approaches are largely devoid of content, but, gosh, if they don’t sound sure of themselves.
And that mode can be very persuasive, but it doesn’t stick the way a coherent argument does. It needs to be repeated, the affect replenished, because the words matter less than the delivery. There needs to be a steady stream of confident voices saying “we’ve got this figured out and everyone else is stupid” or Gabe’s gonna notice the flaws. They are not well-hidden.
And the catch-22 of returning to that stream over and over is that these communities are stressful even as they are calming. People afraid they will die virgins go to forums with people who share and validate that fear, and also say, “Yes, you will die a virgin.” People afraid Syrians are coming to kill us all watch videos by people who share and validate that fear, and also say, “Yes, Syrians are coming to kill us all.” Others have already pointed out that rubbing your face in your worst anxieties is a form of digital self-harm, but I need to you understand the toxic recursion of it: Gabe is going to these communities to get upset. Every emotion is converted into anger, because sadness, fear, and despair are paralyzing but anger is motivating; Gabe feels less helpless when he’s pissed off. And so, while he’s topping up on reassuring nonsense, he’s also topping up on stress. And, being cut off from everything outside the network, the only place he knows to go to release that stress is back to the place that gives it to him. It’s a feedback loop, pulling him deeper and deeper on the promise that, at some point, relief will come.
It is a similar dynamic that keeps people in abusive relationships.
When someone in Gabe’s community makes a racist joke, they are presenting Gabe with a choice between the human interaction of laughing with his friends and his societal responsibility not to be a fuckin’ racist. And not laughing seems ridiculous; everybody’s friends here; no one’s getting hurt; this is harmless. And so the irreverent race joke draws a line between the personal and the political, and suggests that one can be safely prioritized over the other. One way to look at radicalization is being asked to stick with that seemingly innocuous decision as the stakes are raised incrementally: first with edgier humor, and then comments that are funny because they’re shocking but you couldn’t really call them jokes, and then “funny” comments that are also sincerely angry, but, in each instance, since he laughed with his bros last time, it stands to reason he should keep favoring the personal over some abstracted notion of “politics.”
This is why the progressive adage “the personal is political” is among the most threatening things you can say in these spaces.
I’m not trying to make a slippery slope argument. Most of us who laughed at edgy jokes when we were teenagers didn’t grow up to be Nazis. It is a slippery slope in the specific context of being in community with people trying to radicalize you. Gabe is a lonely white boy in need of friends, and laughing at a racist joke is personal, while not laughing is political. Staying in a community that has Nazis in it is personal, and leaving is political. The personal is what brings people together and the political drives them apart. (The “only if some of them are bigots” part of that sentence is usually lopped off). There’s this joke on the internet that nerds perceive only two races: white and political. Following that logic, what could be more apolitical than an ethnostate?
They are banking on his willingness to adapt his beliefs to suit an environment that meets a need. That same need can be satisfied by white nationalism. There are few things more seductive to people who doubt their own worth than being told you are valuable simply for being white. And you can sub in male, cis, straight, allosexual, or able-bodied. It just takes priming: by the time Gabe officially embraces bigotry, he’s already been acting like a bigot for months. The red pill is simply the moment he says it out loud.
Change Gabe’s surroundings, and you change Gabe.
Step Five: ???
The final step in a traditional extremist group would be getting a mission. But that is one thing the Alt-Right can’t do. Once you start giving clear directives, you can’t play yourselves off as a bunch of unaffiliated hashtags and think tanks; you are now a formalized movement accountable to its followers, and can be judged and policed as such.
To my mind, Charlottesville was an attempt to become such a movement, taking things offline and getting all the different groups working collectively. And, as so often happens when these people get in the same space - especially with no official leaders or means of control over their members - it backfired. Their true colors came out before they were ready and a counter-protester lost her life.
This would be the point where, historically, an extremist group starts to disintegrate. Their veneer of respectability gone, they’re now hated by the public, the media wants nothing more to do with them, and everyone not in jail turns on each other or goes underground. This is also the point where the liberal establishment says, “My job here is done,” and utterly fails to retake control of the narrative, allowing the next batch of radicals to pick up more or less where the last one left off.
But to an already-decentralized group like the Alt-Right, Charlottesville was bad but eminently survivable. People retreated back to the internet, with its code words and anonymous forums, but that’s where much of the work was already done anyway. The platforms where they organized kept tolerating them, the authorities still didn’t classify them as terrorists, and any disgraced figureheads were replaced with up-and-comers.
The major change in strategy is that it doesn’t seem anyone has tried to formalize the Alt-Right since.
So where does that leave Gabe? He’s gone through this whole process of largely hands-off indoctrination - and I should stress his journey may look like what we’ve outlined or it may look different in places, this video is not comprehensive - but now he’s swallowed every pill he cares to, he blames half a dozen minorities for everything he sees as wrong with the world, and no one will give him anything to do. You’ve got this ad hoc movement frothing young men into a militant fervor and then just leaving them to stew in their own hate. Should we really be surprised at how many commit mass shootings?
This is a machine for producing lone wolves.
Leaving men to take up arms of their own volition is a way of enacting terror while being just outside the popular conception of a terror cell. There are also, of course, more classic militias that will offer Gabe clear directives - they’re recruiting from the same pool. And Gabe may stop short of this step, settling in a middle layer that suits him or finding the inner layers too extreme. But violence is the logical conclusion of an ideology of hate, and, should Gabe take this step, he can approach violence in the same incremental fashion he approached conservatism.
He can start with yelling at people on Twitter, and then maybe collective brigading, DDoS attacks, sharing dox, leaking nudes, calling their phone numbers, texting them pictures of their houses from the sidewalk. These acts of cruelty become games of oneupmanship within his community. All this can start as far back as Step 2, and get more intense the deeper he goes. Some people join explicitly partake in harassment and violence the way Gabe joined to talk about anime.
But this behavior can serve as a kind of buy-in. The Left and the feminists and the LGBTQs and the Muslims and the immigrants are all, within his community, subhuman. You’ve maybe heard the conservative catchphrase “feminism is cancer”; well don’t treat cancer by having a respectful exchange of ideas with it, but by eradicating it down to the last cell. Cruelty against the Left is framed as righteous.
From any other perspective, posting someone’s bank information is something you might feel ashamed of. Which creates a psychological imperative not to consider other perspectives. A thing that keeps people in is staving off the guilt they will reckon with the moment they step out. Gabe is also aware that anything he’s done to the Left could be done to him if he leaves; some communities even keep dox on their members as insurance. And the things he’s been encouraged to do to the Left will likely make him feel that the Left would never take him now; the radical Right is the only home he’s got. Harassment becomes another tool of isolation.
Steadily, options for Gabe are whittled down to being a vigilante or a nihilist. There are periods of elation: moments the Alt-Right feels it’s winning - or, more accurately, the people they hate are losing - are like cocaine. They are authoritarians, after all. But the times in between are mean and angry. They are antisocial, starved of emotional connection, consuming incompatible conspiracies that may at any point run them afoul of one another, devoted to figureheads who cater to but cannot risk leading them, and living under constant threat of being outed to the Left or turned on by the Right for stepping out of line. Gabe took this journey for the sense of community and purpose, and, but for the rare moments everything goes their way, the Alt-Right can’t maintain either. They can only keep promising his day will come, a story he could get from a $5 palm reading.
The feeling there’s nothing left but to kill yourself or someone else is so common it’s a meme.
But there is always a third option: Gabe can leave.
Pre-Conclusion: For Fuck’s Sake Do Not Make Gabe Your Whole-Ass Praxis
Before we continue, I want to state plainly that Gabe went off the deep end because he found a community willing to tell him that, because he is a cishet white man, the world revolves around him. Do not treat him like this is true.
If a fraction of the energy spent having debates with America’s Gabes were spent instead on voter re-enfranchisement, prisoner’s rights, protections for immigrants, statehood for DC and Puerto Rico, and redistricting, Gabe’s opinions, in the societal sense, wouldn’t matter. Reactionary conservatism is a small and largely unpopular ideology that is only so represented in our culture and politics because they’ve learned how to game the system.
And I get it. Those are huge problems that are going to take years to address, where, if you know a Gabe, that’s a conversation you could have today. And, if you think you can get through to him, it is worthwhile to try. This is a fight on many fronts and deradicalization is one of them. But it is only one, so please keep it in perspective. It sends an awful message when we spend more time trying to get bigots back on our side than we do the people they are bigoted against.
Your value as a lefty does not hinge on whether you can change Gabe’s mind.
Conclusion: How Gabe Gets Out
He may just grow out of it. These communities skew young, and some folks hit a point where hanging with edgy teens doesn’t feel cool anymore.
He may become disillusioned after the movement fails to deliver on its promises.
He may become disillusioned if something goes wrong in his life and his community isn’t there for him, if he feels they like his race and his gender but don’t actually care about him.
He may be shocked if he sees the Alt-Right at its worst before being appropriately conditioned. Charlottesville was a step too far for a lot of people.
His community may turn on him for any perceived unorthodoxy, and he may leave out of necessity.
He may be separated by circumstance from the community - a trip with no internet, hospitalization, arrest - and not be able to top up on the rhetoric. This may lead him to question his beliefs.
His community may disappear, either tearing itself apart or getting shut down by authorities.
He may have incidental contact with populations he’s supposed to hate, and have trouble reconciling who they are in person with what he’s been told about them. In his community, people bond over shared intolerance, but, suddenly, being tolerant helps him make friends. (This is one reason the Alt-Right has made a battleground of the college campus.)
He may form or revisit relationships outside the network, people who can offer him the connection he’s been looking for. This may reintroduce outside perspectives. More importantly, it rekindles his ability to have healthy relationships at all, something the Alt-Right has estranged him from.
As with recruiters, it seems these “escape hatch” relationships can sometimes be parasocial; coming to respect a public figure who is on the Left, or is critical of the Alt-Right.
Someone he is close to may compel him to choose, “me or the movement.” A lot of young men leave to save a romantic relationship.
Hearing stories from people who’ve already jumped may help; there aren’t a lot of public formers, and some raise suspicions as to their sincerity, but it is getting more common, and may be the closest we get to exit counseling for the Alt-Right.
He may become aware of the ways he’s being manipulated, or have them revealed to him, maybe because he stumbled into BreadTube, I dunno. Knowledge that you are being indoctrinated is no guarantee it won’t work - you are not immune to propaganda - but it can help one resist.
And he may revisit a core belief system that used to guide him, be it religion or social justice or a really wholesome fandom, and be reminded of the identity he used to have.
Moments like these, in isolation or in aggregate, can inspire Gabe to jump. They are also good times for friends to intervene. The reach and the impunity that comes with the internet means it has never been easier to fall into reactionary extremism. It has also never been easier to get out. People who exit skinhead gangs often fear for their lives; for Gabe, there’s a chance getting out is as simple as going to a different website. Much of his community does not know his name or his face and he may not important enough to dox.
What doesn’t get Gabe out - not reliably, not that I have seen - is an argument with a stranger who proves all his facts wrong and his ideology bunk. Facts don’t always work because facts don’t care about his feelings. This was about staying in a community, and holding onto an identity, that mattered to him. It was about belonging, and that is something a rando from the other side of the culture war can’t give him and probably shouldn’t be responsible for.
The theme here is human connection. Before he can do the work of disentangling himself, and facing the guilt of what he’s believed and maybe done, he has to know there’s somewhere for him on the other end of it. That the Right hasn’t ruined him. They’ve told him all of history is groups fighting each other over status, and, without his clan, he’ll be an exile. He needs a better story.
I don’t know that lefty spaces are ideal for this, in no small part because bringing someone who’s a bit of a Nazi but working on it into diverse communities is… questionable. And it probably wouldn’t be good for him, either; having just gotten out of a toxic belief system, he’s going to be deeply skeptical of all ideologies. In a perfect world, people who care about Gabe could build for him - to use a therapy term - a holding space. Someplace private - physical or digital - where Gabe can work out his feelings, where he is both encouraged and expected to be better but is not, in the moment, judged. That comes later. It is delicate and time-consuming work that should not be done in public, but we find these beliefs, built up over the course of months or years, tend to fall away very quickly with a shift of environment. Change Gabe’s surroundings and you change Gabe.
But, instead, a lot of people who jump are functionally deprogramming themselves, which is working for a lot of them, but it’s haphazard, and there are recidivists.
If you don’t personally know a Gabe, or have training as a counselor, you may not be in a position to help him. Possibly there are things you can do to disrupt the recruitment process or prevent infiltration of spaces you’re in - I’m looking into it, but talk to your mods - but, elephant in the room: meaningful change will require reform on the part of platform holders. Tools to disrupt this process already exist and are being used on groups like ISIS, but they’re not being used on the Alt-Right because they try oh so very hard not to get classified as terrorists (and also any functioning anti-radicalization policy would require banning a lot of conservative politicians, so there’s that…).
But what makes our story better than theirs is that the fight for social and economic justice, though it is long, and difficult, and frustrating, when it works, it fulfills the promise the Right can’t keep: it materially make people’s lives better. I am not prone to sentimentality, or to giving these videos happy endings. But one thing we have that the Alt-Right doesn’t is hope.*
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